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welcome to just energy radio with your

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host naturopath and medical intuitive dr

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reed louise

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we have learned from einstein's theory

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that matter and energy are one

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physicists believe that all systems in

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nature have their own particular way of

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vibrating from the swinging of a

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pendulum to the waves of the ocean to

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the light that brightens the sky each

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day each of these oscillates at its own

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unique rate the same holds true for

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every thought feeling event or word we

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speak each has its own frequency or rate

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of vibration what many of us don't

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realize is when we take everything in

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our universe down to its simplest form

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it is all just energy

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join dr ray louise on a journey through

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time and space where past present and

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future collide today what you believe

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may be called into question what we want

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to know is who made up the rules

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be brave and step outside the box we are

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about to turn our world upside down and

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venture into the unknown

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hold on we are departing our own beliefs

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and entering alternative realms

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hello and welcome to just energy radio

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i'm your host dr rita louise and thank

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you all for tuning into the show today

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well we're going to be welcoming back a

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good friend michael carter and we're

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going to be speaking about his book a

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new world if you can take it

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hmm

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i can take it i think maybe i guess

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hush

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um

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so i i just wanted to make a comment

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today um this is a little out of

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character for my normal commentary on

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the show but today is uh wayne but the

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co-author of et chronicles and manmade's

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birthday today and as many of you know

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he passed away a couple years ago

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and with the show being today one we had

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to do a show on extraterrestrials

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because that's like his total favorite

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and i just want to

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say hey

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happy birthday

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encourage you all to buy his book in his

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name and one of the things we have just

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loaded all of uh my books and

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cds and blah blah blah blah blah onto

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the just energy radio website so if

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you've been trying to figure out how to

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get a copy of et chronicles or how to

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get a copy of icon deconstructing the

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archetypes of our ancients my new video

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they are all now on the just energy

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radio website well you can click on them

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they're not there physically

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tonight we're going to be having a great

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show we're going to be speaking to

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reverend michael carter again about his

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book a new world if you can take it let

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me tell you a little bit about what

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we're going to be talking about and we

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will get michael on the air

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drawing on the works of such giants as

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eric von daniken and zachariah sitchin

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it is well established that many in the

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ufo community believe that our ancient

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ancestors mistook extraterrestrial

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visitors for all powerful deities

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reverend michael carter will build on

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this outlook by re-examining some of the

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religious and spiritual philosophies and

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demonstrating how off-world

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intelligences

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shaped early religious teachings his web

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page is michael j s

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carter.com so please welcome to to the

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show robert michael carter hey michael

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how are you hey happy new year how are

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you i am great just so nice hearing your

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voice get to hang out yeah thanks for

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having me back rita well it's always a

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pleasure and i was working on my notes

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for um you know our conversation and i'm

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question note things and i'm going oh

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like you're going to look at them while

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because this is usually kind of tangent

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city i ask one question and then it go

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you know it takes on a life of its own i

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love these kinds of shows i do too i

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really do i mean because we can cover so

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much ground and and you know we can talk

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about whatever comes up

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it's good to be you know spontaneous and

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a little creative and flexible cool

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um the last time that you were on we

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talked about et's in the bible yes um

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and so we're going to be kind of taking

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that concept it seems to me a step

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further

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and so i guess my first question to you

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let's start here

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you know as you read these biblical

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narratives about god in the bible

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do you think god is omnipotent and

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eternal

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or do you think he's something else

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that's a great question you know i i

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feel that god if we want to use that

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word

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is beyond

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human

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comprehension uh the finite can never

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really comprehend the infinite

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um i do believe that

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the

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bible that we've been taught to worship

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i believe that this individual is an

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astronaut

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um i don't look at god again and i put

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that in quotes um

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as a he is she a it a uh uh an

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anthropomorphic being i i personally

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you know an energy an intelligence if

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you will that permeates

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everything and every one

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you know it's been said we make god in

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our image and the god of the bible is

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just a little too

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humanoid for my taste

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well we're going to come back to that

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you know in our own image thing because

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i think that's a very interesting

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point to cover

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sure i i think

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if we say god is all-knowing

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what that means but in some ways i don't

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sense of a human being that every little

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thing i do is is scrutinized or anything

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i i i look i used to think i knew

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god or one's relationship with a god is

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that one has to be willing to say i

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don't know and i think that because so

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uh in our religious communities are so

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certain that they know what this being

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see thinks feels it's it's it's very

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difficult to be in dialogue

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because if one person knows everything

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and the other one doesn't you can see

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where the tension

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and the challenges occur

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i'm more comfortable with saying what i

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don't know

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but also realizing that

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that what i think i know is just my own

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experience and it will be different for

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everybody else

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but it's definitely beyond my

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comprehension

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well and it seems like many religious

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traditions all right i'm going to say

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christian tradition i'm going to be a

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little more specific actually try to put

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words in god's mouth and say well this

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is what god said and it's like yes well

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wait a minute wait a minute wait a

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yes where did you hear that

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yeah yeah you know a lot of it is

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interpretation but i think if if if we

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were a little more humble

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we probably go a little further because

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i i really do believe it's

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this certainty

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we well we see it now i mean uh we see

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it now uh we're still fighting the

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crusades

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you know between uh the muslim world and

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christianity

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uh they're definitely parallels there

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and and also uh you know just like in

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some ways at least in my part of the

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country we're still fighting the civil

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in a lot of ways so who was it william

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faulkner said the past has never passed

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um and i think he was on to something

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the past is never gone uh it's never

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really passed and so until we can learn

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from our past

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it's going to be hard to move on to a

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more sophisticated

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dare i say even a more mature

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uh cosmology or perspective on what

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you know spirituality means what

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religion means because if you're so

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certain

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you can't grow because you already know

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the answers

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once i'm sure about something

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for the most part not everything but

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once i'm so sure i'm not willing to grow

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or or learn because i've already got my

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answer

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and in my experience

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you can't connect with god on a soul

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level or a consciousness level or

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whatever level you want to call it

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when you're in ego when you are in that

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certainty

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exactly that i couldn't have put it any

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better and so uh this is this is where

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we are

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and um we can see the problems that it's

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causing on a micro level but also on a

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macro level on a global level

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but is it all

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you know it always amazes me is it on a

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global level or is it just in the

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judeo-christian world

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that is impacting everybody else

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well then i mean you know

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however we frame it it's still affecting

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everybody else so it is global

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uh you know it's it's like throwing the

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stone in the pool

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the the ripples have the effect

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and so since christianity is

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i don't know if it's number one

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it may still be but islam was at one

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time the fastest growing religion

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on the planet i mean we see what's going

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on and it is affecting everybody else it

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could easily draw

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um

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other nations

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into this quagmire

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and you know it could very easily do

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and i don't know enough about islam i

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know that i have met some islamic

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individuals

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who were

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very

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one kind wonderful people i i you know i

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can't say anything bad about them

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and our perception of someone that is

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uh islamic

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is that there are terrorists and that's

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really not even a true perception of

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that spiritual belief in the bigger

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picture

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no it's not and and and and and you know

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i i will liken it to the ufo community

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where we have individuals saying

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all grays are this all reptilians are

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that

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and um

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you know so we we paint that picture

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with each other

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and we also take our biases and our

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prejudices

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and all our isms and we project them on

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to

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anything or anyone that's different so

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we do that in the ufo community

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at least in my humble opinion as well as

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them judeo christians you know they just

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like created this whole big problem but

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i think really that's really what we're

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going to be kind of talking about

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because isn't it correct that once you

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leave that

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base belief system and start looking

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around the world at other cultures

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well i'm

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if i'm understanding the question

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correctly i mean there are different

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paths

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to the divine i mean you and i both know

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that and so

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um it's it's almost as if you and i are

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going to california and you hitchhike

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and i fly

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uh maybe joe will drive

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uh maybe my wife will bicycle we're

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still going to california

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it's just that we're getting there in

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different ways and it's and it's and

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it's

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the perspective that my way

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is the way

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that or my perspective is the only

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perspective is where we run into

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okay

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we can come back to this topic because

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it really needs to kind of add in

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another element

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um and maybe we can just go there now

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hang on a second

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um you know and it's the whole concept

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of

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um you know so there is this creator

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omnipotent god that we were talking

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about

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and then there's the god of the bible

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so would you say we're talking about one

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in the same character

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no

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about and at least part of writing some

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of the book um

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uh you know and i use the palladians as

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an example

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they have an interesting concept

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they say

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at least according to meyer and the

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talmud of jemanuel that there is

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creator let's put it that way they call

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it creation

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but they also say

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that there is a god with a small g who

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is a humanoid who's in charge of the

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human races

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now

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the point is is that

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this

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creation that they talk about is an

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intelligence it's it's it's an energy

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it's not anthropomorphic it's not

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jealous it doesn't walk around with two

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legs and two arms and a head it doesn't

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um

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it doesn't get angry it doesn't do and

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so

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the the yahweh if you will

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is this astronaut at least where i'm

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where i end up on the spectrum and who's

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jealous who's overly concerned with

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circumcision who doesn't want um

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a mixed

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mixing with other tribes i mean he's

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almost like a

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a human being with a lot of issues

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he um he goes and he tells he tells

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joshua and the hebrew the israelites to

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go into the land of milk and honey and

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they kill men women and children because

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the land is promised to them this does

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not sound like

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a god that i would want to be in

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relationship with

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but

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you know growing up in the culture you

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know one doesn't know what questions to

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ask

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you're given answers before you can even

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ask the questions and if you start

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asking questions and they're too

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embarrassing you're told not to worry

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about that or you're told you don't have

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enough faith or you're told something

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because

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it's it's either a nuisance answering

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those questions or you're making waves

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so it's harder sometimes to unlearn what

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we've learned

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now i want to be clear i'm just talking

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about michael's journey i'm not saying

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that this is the only way or other

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people if you believe in a god should

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give that up or what have you

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um i'm just saying where my research and

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my experiences have brought me to this

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there are laws in the universe i mean

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you reap what you sow what you put out

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comes back to you uh what you focus on

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you create if you want to focus on peace

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then be peace uh if you want to focus on

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war whatever you focus on you create uh

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those are laws of of the universe some

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people would say they're part of god

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i will agree with john

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you know

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when john says god is love

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love

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and he's using the language of his day

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love unites

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who john lennon

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uh

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the gospel of john

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maybe john all that guy yeah he did all

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you need is love

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yeah

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so you know um but but everybody has to

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find their own way

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but

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a lot of religions

448
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create this us and them dichotomy

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i'm saved you're not

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and so

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it creates

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confusion

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tension

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wars

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in your

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investigations okay so in the

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judeo-christian

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belief system

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we have one god we have yahweh hashem

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whatever you know adonai whatever word

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you want to

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give him

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i'm going to say him because it seems

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pretty clearly him that they're talking

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about in your investigations have you

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found any other

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culture or belief system that follows

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that tradition i mean other than

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um akhenaten in egypt

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no well

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basically people of the book judaism

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christianity and islam have one god and

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it is a man

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as a matter of fact they're all related

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you can't have judaism without

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christianity and you can't have islam

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without both of them the same characters

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are in the koran that are in um

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that are in the old testament and the

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new testament the torah and the new

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testament gospels so those stick out

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um you know

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the lakota zoo

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talk about the great mystery wonka

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tonkin

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and i love that

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because they're saying this is a mystery

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i don't know i just know there's

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something greater than me

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and if i align myself with that

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if i try to live a whole life a holistic

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life an integrated life an authentic

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life i and this and this energy are one

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but they call the great mystery and i

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and i think there's something to be said

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and and they don't and if you notice

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they fought each other i mean it wasn't

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all dances with wolves and let's all

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sing kumbaya but one thing they never

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did they never fought over god

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they never fought over the great mystery

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and there's something to be said for

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there's a lot that was different in

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these other cultures as far as how they

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interacted you know they didn't go in

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and just try to annihilate

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each other

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no be because they knew on some level

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whether i disliked you or whatever we

510
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all come from the same source

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that we are connected that doesn't mean

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we have to like you doesn't mean that uh

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we have to be best friends but there was

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a line that we wouldn't cross because

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what i do to you i'm doing to myself

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so it wasn't the it wasn't this whole

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notion of separation that we have now

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you know don't want to overly

519
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romanticize it i mean these cultures

520
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fought each other and killed each other

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wholesale

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you know depending on what the issue was

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but i just find it very interesting that

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they were never arguing about who's

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right about god who's right about the

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great spirit who's right about the great

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but it seemed like they all

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you know and i i'm kind of talk shooting

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off the hip here um

530
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it seems like they

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all

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had a belief in and i'm going to say the

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that i don't know yeah i don't know

534
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either but it just i don't know it's

535
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just kind of the feeling that i get i

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don't know if it was the same god

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because what i was just reading the

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other day

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um

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it was it was it was it's an old joke

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but it was between a native american and

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a white colonizer and the native

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american said

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would i

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going to hell if i didn't believe in him

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and the white guy says yeah and the

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00:22:29,190 --> 00:22:27,520
native brother says then why did you

548
00:22:31,270 --> 00:22:29,200
tell me

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in other words i had no concept of this

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until you brought this here

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and now you're going to limbo

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00:22:40,950 --> 00:22:39,200
you know so so it's it's it's an

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00:22:45,669 --> 00:22:40,960
interesting uh

554
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but

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you know

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for me writing the book

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00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:51,120
you know you know you know doing ancient

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00:22:55,350 --> 00:22:53,520
aliens and that kind of thing you know a

559
00:22:58,149 --> 00:22:55,360
lot of the ancient astronaut theorists

560
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okay we get it now that

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probably

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um

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off-world intelligences at least had a

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hand in

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00:23:08,950 --> 00:23:06,840
consciously or unconsciously in our

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religions at least

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00:23:13,669 --> 00:23:11,360
you know most definitely judea judaism

568
00:23:17,190 --> 00:23:13,679
christianity and islam

569
00:23:18,870 --> 00:23:17,200
but then for me the next step was

570
00:23:20,950 --> 00:23:18,880
okay so what are we saying are we saying

571
00:23:23,190 --> 00:23:20,960
god is an astronaut i mean let's connect

572
00:23:25,830 --> 00:23:23,200
the dots here

573
00:23:26,870 --> 00:23:25,840
and so that's what got me to thinking

574
00:23:28,310 --> 00:23:26,880
about

575
00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:28,320
uh

576
00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:31,200
what is god what what is if you read the

577
00:23:37,110 --> 00:23:33,600
literature whether it's from john mack

578
00:23:39,430 --> 00:23:37,120
or whether it's from um the old 1950s

579
00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:39,440
contacted george adamski or myers or

580
00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:40,559
whoever

581
00:23:44,710 --> 00:23:43,360
the through line through all of it is

582
00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:44,720
that

583
00:23:50,950 --> 00:23:48,320
people

584
00:23:53,270 --> 00:23:50,960
our understanding of the cosmos and god

585
00:23:55,270 --> 00:23:53,280
is primitive

586
00:23:57,669 --> 00:23:55,280
it is violent

587
00:23:59,909 --> 00:23:57,679
and it is it's primitive

588
00:24:01,990 --> 00:23:59,919
it's like god is santa claus

589
00:24:03,510 --> 00:24:02,000
and if you're naughty you're going to be

590
00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:03,520
barbecued

591
00:24:07,510 --> 00:24:06,240
and if not you'll be rewarded

592
00:24:09,270 --> 00:24:07,520
and

593
00:24:11,350 --> 00:24:09,280
it just seems that it's got to be a

594
00:24:13,909 --> 00:24:11,360
little more to it than that

595
00:24:15,510 --> 00:24:13,919
it's got to be a more mature way

596
00:24:17,669 --> 00:24:15,520
to

597
00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:17,679
be in relationship

598
00:24:22,789 --> 00:24:18,480
with

599
00:24:25,990 --> 00:24:22,799
the cosmos if you will

600
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:26,000
then if i'm naughty or nice

601
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:29,039
unless you're dealing with a

602
00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:32,880
quote unquote small g god who is that

603
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:35,440
way who is an ego

604
00:24:38,549 --> 00:24:36,480
who

605
00:24:41,909 --> 00:24:38,559
is a disciplinarian

606
00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:41,919
and is keeping control and order by

607
00:24:46,149 --> 00:24:44,080
threatening

608
00:24:48,390 --> 00:24:46,159
yeah yeah if that's where you are i mean

609
00:24:49,830 --> 00:24:48,400
everybody's on a different

610
00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:49,840
everybody's at a different stage of

611
00:24:54,310 --> 00:24:52,080
their evolution

612
00:24:56,470 --> 00:24:54,320
um and so

613
00:24:58,630 --> 00:24:56,480
you know if if you know what's the old

614
00:25:01,350 --> 00:24:58,640
saying how's that working for you if

615
00:25:04,710 --> 00:25:01,360
that is working for you then

616
00:25:06,310 --> 00:25:04,720
then one has to follow their their heart

617
00:25:08,710 --> 00:25:06,320
and their mind and say you know this is

618
00:25:11,110 --> 00:25:08,720
it yahweh is the one for me

619
00:25:13,669 --> 00:25:11,120
uh but that may not be the way for

620
00:25:15,830 --> 00:25:13,679
others and uh and i wanted people to

621
00:25:17,590 --> 00:25:15,840
know that there is another way there's

622
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:17,600
always another way

623
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:19,440
maybe the god of the bible was just

624
00:25:23,669 --> 00:25:21,840
dysfunctional

625
00:25:26,230 --> 00:25:23,679
well

626
00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:26,240
yeah that was kind of a joke yeah yeah i

627
00:25:30,390 --> 00:25:28,799
mean i mean he certainly seems that way

628
00:25:33,510 --> 00:25:30,400
he certainly seems that way with the

629
00:25:34,950 --> 00:25:33,520
temper tantrums and what have you

630
00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:34,960
but but again

631
00:25:37,830 --> 00:25:36,880
you know as kids we weren't taught to

632
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:37,840
question

633
00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:39,600
and so you know even if you thought

634
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:41,360
something weird you just kind of said oh

635
00:25:45,430 --> 00:25:43,679
okay this is it

636
00:25:47,510 --> 00:25:45,440
because my parents told me or because my

637
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:47,520
priest told me or because my minister

638
00:25:52,470 --> 00:25:48,720
told me

639
00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:52,480
and you know who was it paul you know

640
00:25:56,070 --> 00:25:54,320
paul says in what corinthians when i was

641
00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:56,080
a child i spoke like a child and i felt

642
00:26:02,549 --> 00:25:58,080
like a child but when i became a man i

643
00:26:08,070 --> 00:26:05,990
i guess i wasn't one of those children

644
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:08,080
i always asked them the hard questions

645
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:09,600
and they would look at me and i could

646
00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:11,600
always tell that they'd like

647
00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:14,159
pull some answer out their butt and give

648
00:26:23,029 --> 00:26:16,400
me an answer because i

649
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:25,029
but it almost seems you know in reading

650
00:26:29,110 --> 00:26:26,880
your book i never really

651
00:26:31,269 --> 00:26:29,120
thought about it in this way

652
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:31,279
that um

653
00:26:37,750 --> 00:26:34,320
the gods of the bible

654
00:26:39,510 --> 00:26:37,760
seem different from

655
00:26:41,669 --> 00:26:39,520
the other gods i mean they're all

656
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:41,679
fighting each other and doing all other

657
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:44,000
all kinds of things um

658
00:26:46,950 --> 00:26:45,360
and i had

659
00:26:49,590 --> 00:26:46,960
and i'm pretty sure it was in my

660
00:26:52,390 --> 00:26:49,600
interview a couple of weeks ago i had uh

661
00:26:54,390 --> 00:26:52,400
steve and evan strong on from australia

662
00:26:56,789 --> 00:26:54,400
and they were making some comment which

663
00:26:59,590 --> 00:26:56,799
kind of fit in with your book

664
00:27:02,230 --> 00:26:59,600
was that they believed that there that

665
00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:02,240
the pleiadians had come and were

666
00:27:07,029 --> 00:27:04,400
interacting with the indigenous

667
00:27:08,870 --> 00:27:07,039
population in australia

668
00:27:11,590 --> 00:27:08,880
and then they thought that perhaps

669
00:27:15,190 --> 00:27:11,600
another group like the syrians had come

670
00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:15,200
in and moved into africa

671
00:27:19,750 --> 00:27:17,520
and were the ones that were responsible

672
00:27:24,350 --> 00:27:19,760
for the enslavement of mankind in the

673
00:27:26,470 --> 00:27:24,360
mining and what has ferreted out in

674
00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:26,480
judeo-christianity and i thought that

675
00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:29,279
was a really interesting

676
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:31,520
way to look at it

677
00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:33,520
i mean

678
00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:35,360
there's many ways to look at it and and

679
00:27:39,350 --> 00:27:37,440
because we don't really know

680
00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:39,360
and i hate that

681
00:27:42,470 --> 00:27:41,360
and and and um

682
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:42,480
but

683
00:27:47,350 --> 00:27:44,880
what i try to do in the book

684
00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:47,360
is to get people

685
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:49,919
and this is my bias i'm not a scientific

686
00:27:52,789 --> 00:27:51,120
mind

687
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:52,799
i don't

688
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:55,200
really care about propulsion systems and

689
00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:56,960
back engineering and all that kind of

690
00:28:01,590 --> 00:27:59,600
stuff but what i am concerned about and

691
00:28:03,510 --> 00:28:01,600
what really gets me going

692
00:28:05,590 --> 00:28:03,520
is is is

693
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:05,600
the spiritual transformation that can

694
00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:08,720
occur it doesn't have to that can occur

695
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:12,320
and so in some ways i feel that

696
00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:14,640
we can lose sight of

697
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:17,600
the message

698
00:28:20,789 --> 00:28:19,440
when we get so caught up into the other

699
00:28:24,470 --> 00:28:20,799
stuff

700
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:24,480
i mean i don't you know the cherokee

701
00:28:29,510 --> 00:28:27,279
talk about the you know uh coming from

702
00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:29,520
the pleiades and and that kind of thing

703
00:28:35,190 --> 00:28:32,159
and and and you know there were a lot of

704
00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:35,200
a lot of extraterrestrials uh giving up

705
00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:36,640
the land whether it was in the middle

706
00:28:40,950 --> 00:28:39,440
east and parts of africa or wherever

707
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:40,960
however

708
00:28:46,789 --> 00:28:43,600
i look at what we're going through now

709
00:28:49,110 --> 00:28:46,799
as a spiritual malaise and so

710
00:28:51,430 --> 00:28:49,120
sometimes i believe we can get so caught

711
00:28:54,470 --> 00:28:51,440
up in the forest that we don't see the

712
00:28:56,870 --> 00:28:54,480
trees which is whether it's from adamski

713
00:28:58,389 --> 00:28:56,880
back in the 50s or now

714
00:29:01,110 --> 00:28:58,399
we're being told

715
00:29:04,070 --> 00:29:01,120
that you are too violent

716
00:29:07,269 --> 00:29:04,080
that you're playing with fire with with

717
00:29:09,190 --> 00:29:07,279
with nuclear uh weapons

718
00:29:11,830 --> 00:29:09,200
that you are

719
00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:11,840
killing this

720
00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:14,880
and so i guess i i feel that

721
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:17,440
in some ways doesn't matter

722
00:29:21,190 --> 00:29:19,200
whether they were palladians or syrians

723
00:29:23,909 --> 00:29:21,200
or whatever we are in

724
00:29:27,110 --> 00:29:23,919
we're we're we're in dire straits here

725
00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:27,120
and we need to get the act together

726
00:29:32,310 --> 00:29:28,960
do you think that's what that's what i

727
00:29:35,269 --> 00:29:32,320
wanted people to get from the book

728
00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:35,279
do you think it might be helpful

729
00:29:37,990 --> 00:29:36,880
if people

730
00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:38,000
you know or

731
00:29:45,990 --> 00:29:42,320
we start a movement where we let go of

732
00:29:47,269 --> 00:29:46,000
the word god or give you know that

733
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:47,279
divine

734
00:29:53,350 --> 00:29:51,200
all-knowing omnipotent energy

735
00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:53,360
a different name

736
00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:56,240
well i talk about it i mean listen and

737
00:29:59,830 --> 00:29:58,559
you and i talked about this before

738
00:30:02,710 --> 00:29:59,840
i don't know

739
00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:02,720
if it's really doable to have eight

740
00:30:06,310 --> 00:30:04,480
billion people or how many christians

741
00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:06,320
want to change the name

742
00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:10,320
but what i do know is that instead of

743
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:12,480
arguing about god

744
00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:15,600
we can try to have an experience of god

745
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:16,640
and so

746
00:30:20,630 --> 00:30:18,480
the only people we can change are

747
00:30:23,430 --> 00:30:20,640
ourselves

748
00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:23,440
and so rather than getting caught up in

749
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:25,760
the noise outside

750
00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:28,320
it's probably a good idea to start

751
00:30:33,190 --> 00:30:31,039
looking at ourselves on the inside and

752
00:30:35,830 --> 00:30:33,200
again that means me

753
00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:35,840
i can't control what you do or what

754
00:30:41,269 --> 00:30:38,880
people do outside but i can at least try

755
00:30:43,830 --> 00:30:41,279
to look at my own reactions and

756
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:43,840
and fears and peel the onion there i

757
00:30:51,669 --> 00:30:46,320
think that's i think that's a good place

758
00:30:56,549 --> 00:30:54,870
but i guess my question is is do we need

759
00:31:00,789 --> 00:30:56,559
to

760
00:31:04,389 --> 00:31:00,799
let go of the bible let go of the god of

761
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:04,399
the bible so that we can make that

762
00:31:08,549 --> 00:31:06,960
transformation so that we can

763
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:08,559
seek something

764
00:31:13,029 --> 00:31:11,039
that is not in the book it's a good

765
00:31:14,789 --> 00:31:13,039
question i don't think that we have to

766
00:31:18,149 --> 00:31:14,799
get rid of the bible

767
00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:18,159
i don't think we have to get rid of um

768
00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:19,200
of

769
00:31:25,510 --> 00:31:24,480
think we may want to look at

770
00:31:26,630 --> 00:31:25,520
what

771
00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:26,640
really

772
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:28,320
makes sense

773
00:31:32,710 --> 00:31:30,399
that i don't mean that in a left-brained

774
00:31:35,350 --> 00:31:32,720
fashion i mean

775
00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:35,360
when when when the book of leviticus

776
00:31:39,509 --> 00:31:37,200
when you read that book in yahweh is

777
00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:39,519
talking about how many shekels

778
00:31:43,029 --> 00:31:40,320
to

779
00:31:45,669 --> 00:31:43,039
charge for male female and children

780
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:45,679
or a child slave we can read that and go

781
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:48,000
that's not what i'm about

782
00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:50,080
i know for whatever reason this writer

783
00:31:54,310 --> 00:31:52,080
wrote that and that was where they were

784
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:54,320
coming from but i have the good sense to

785
00:31:58,630 --> 00:31:56,880
know that that's just wrong

786
00:32:01,830 --> 00:31:58,640
and any god that's going to condole

787
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:01,840
slavery i'm not going to when we go to

788
00:32:05,830 --> 00:32:03,760
uh the other parts of leviticus because

789
00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:05,840
that's the book of the laws that moses

790
00:32:09,269 --> 00:32:07,600
and they talk about not touching a

791
00:32:11,430 --> 00:32:09,279
pigskin

792
00:32:13,269 --> 00:32:11,440
well we know that there goes the nfl

793
00:32:15,590 --> 00:32:13,279
there goes the nba i mean there's

794
00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:15,600
certain things that we have to use our

795
00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:17,679
common sense with

796
00:32:21,110 --> 00:32:20,240
uh we're not going to stone somebody to

797
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:21,120
death

798
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:23,600
uh for committing adultery we're just

799
00:32:27,750 --> 00:32:25,919
not going to do that it's barbaric

800
00:32:29,430 --> 00:32:27,760
even though it says so in the bible

801
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:29,440
we're just not going to do that and i

802
00:32:33,269 --> 00:32:31,440
think that that's okay

803
00:32:35,110 --> 00:32:33,279
to do

804
00:32:37,110 --> 00:32:35,120
we don't have to swallow everything in

805
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:37,120
there whole just because someone said

806
00:32:40,710 --> 00:32:39,440
something 5 000 years ago doesn't mean

807
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:40,720
that it's true

808
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:43,120
now all right but wait i'm gonna be

809
00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:45,600
devil's advocate here but do we

810
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:48,080
understand why

811
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:49,760
because it's not just in the bible that

812
00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:51,760
we find these

813
00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:53,440
rules that we would see as being

814
00:32:57,269 --> 00:32:54,720
ridiculous

815
00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:57,279
but why would they

816
00:33:02,549 --> 00:33:00,720
kind of universally enact these rules

817
00:33:04,149 --> 00:33:02,559
that we're supposed to live by that we

818
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:04,159
just flagrantly

819
00:33:08,870 --> 00:33:06,960
ignore now well those things were

820
00:33:11,110 --> 00:33:08,880
well let's be clear

821
00:33:12,389 --> 00:33:11,120
the ten the the ten commandments weren't

822
00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:12,399
for everybody

823
00:33:15,590 --> 00:33:14,080
the ten commandments were for the jewish

824
00:33:17,350 --> 00:33:15,600
people

825
00:33:19,750 --> 00:33:17,360
that that what they weren't they weren't

826
00:33:22,549 --> 00:33:19,760
meant to be universals they were meant

827
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:22,559
to be the laws that yahweh says you will

828
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:24,880
make you will be in covenant with me you

829
00:33:28,389 --> 00:33:26,880
shall not murder it's not in hebrews not

830
00:33:30,070 --> 00:33:28,399
you shall kill you you shouldn't kill

831
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:30,080
you shall not murder you shall not

832
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:31,919
convent your neighbors you can but

833
00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:34,480
remember those were just for the jews

834
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:36,480
because if it was for everybody else

835
00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:38,000
they wouldn't have gone into the land of

836
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:39,760
milk and honey

837
00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:41,279
and did what they did they broke all ten

838
00:33:49,830 --> 00:33:47,909
those were just for the jews

839
00:33:52,310 --> 00:33:49,840
and people don't why do i know that

840
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:52,320
because i studied in seminary but those

841
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:55,919
rules were just for the jewish tribe

842
00:34:00,870 --> 00:33:58,960
they weren't for everybody else

843
00:34:02,389 --> 00:34:00,880
if thou shalt not murder

844
00:34:03,990 --> 00:34:02,399
and then you go into a land of milk and

845
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:04,000
honey and dash people's head up against

846
00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:06,000
the stone and kill them well there goes

847
00:34:14,310 --> 00:34:08,320
that first commandment

848
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:16,710
well it wasn't considered murder killing

849
00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:18,720
those people

850
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:19,679
well

851
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:21,440
that's where your common sense come in

852
00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:22,960
because just because it wasn't

853
00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:25,280
considered murder then doesn't mean it's

854
00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:30,149
right and and i understand your point

855
00:34:34,950 --> 00:34:31,679
and i just

856
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:34,960
one of my new things has been looking at

857
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:38,560
why we do the things we do from a moral

858
00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:40,320
perspective from a legal and moral

859
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:41,520
perspective

860
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:44,159
and taking it back

861
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:47,040
you know we have these rules

862
00:34:53,909 --> 00:34:50,560
that are very unique to being human

863
00:34:56,710 --> 00:34:53,919
and it just makes me go well who came up

864
00:34:59,190 --> 00:34:56,720
with these rules in the first place

865
00:35:01,510 --> 00:34:59,200
and why did they and why did they come

866
00:35:03,190 --> 00:35:01,520
up with the rules and if we are breaking

867
00:35:05,670 --> 00:35:03,200
these rules i mean the myrtle one i kind

868
00:35:07,990 --> 00:35:05,680
of get but let's say touching a pig you

869
00:35:11,750 --> 00:35:10,790
maybe there's some kind of cooties

870
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:11,760
i mean i

871
00:35:15,510 --> 00:35:13,440
you know then kind of just switching

872
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:15,520
gears and bringing it more contemporary

873
00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:17,040
it's like

874
00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:20,640
birth control pills and gmos and and

875
00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:22,560
you know stuff that they put in our food

876
00:35:26,470 --> 00:35:24,240
it's like well it's all okay and then

877
00:35:28,870 --> 00:35:26,480
you find out 50 years later that

878
00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:28,880
you know you've given yourself cancer or

879
00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:31,200
there's some horrible genetic

880
00:35:36,550 --> 00:35:34,880
repercussion that occurs because you did

881
00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:36,560
something because you didn't pay

882
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:38,800
attention earlier

883
00:35:42,230 --> 00:35:40,480
see where i'm going with that

884
00:35:43,670 --> 00:35:42,240
right yeah yeah

885
00:35:46,630 --> 00:35:43,680
yeah

886
00:35:49,750 --> 00:35:46,640
i mean it just makes me wonder why they

887
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:49,760
created these rules in the first place

888
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:50,640
and

889
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:52,240
at this point

890
00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:54,079
there are many of them that we just

891
00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:57,200
disregard and what impact you know what

892
00:36:01,670 --> 00:35:59,040
was society like i mean we don't even

893
00:36:03,910 --> 00:36:01,680
know that what was society like were

894
00:36:07,829 --> 00:36:03,920
people more spiritual or were people

895
00:36:10,069 --> 00:36:07,839
more tied to god because they were

896
00:36:12,150 --> 00:36:10,079
you know they were in that place well

897
00:36:14,470 --> 00:36:12,160
you can tell what society was like by

898
00:36:16,069 --> 00:36:14,480
what rules they gave you not to do

899
00:36:17,349 --> 00:36:16,079
if we tell you not to commit adultery

900
00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:17,359
that means people will do committing

901
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:18,480
adultery

902
00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:19,920
if we tell you not to have sex with

903
00:36:23,270 --> 00:36:21,520
animals that means people are having sex

904
00:36:25,270 --> 00:36:23,280
without you can tell what people are

905
00:36:26,470 --> 00:36:25,280
doing by what they're telling you not to

906
00:36:31,270 --> 00:36:26,480
do

907
00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:31,280
barbaric then

908
00:36:35,349 --> 00:36:33,760
just as they are now

909
00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:35,359
but we can tell

910
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:37,440
whenever whatever the rules saying don't

911
00:36:49,589 --> 00:36:46,550
well then i guess we're really messed up

912
00:36:52,829 --> 00:36:49,599
because we have tons of rules

913
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:52,839
yeah we do and that's why you

914
00:37:02,390 --> 00:37:00,470
he starts saying the spirit of the law

915
00:37:03,430 --> 00:37:02,400
is more important than the letter of the

916
00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:03,440
law

917
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:05,760
so there's some compassion there's some

918
00:37:10,390 --> 00:37:09,599
mercy that goes along with those laws

919
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:10,400
uh

920
00:37:15,990 --> 00:37:13,440
that's one of the reasons he got in

921
00:37:19,030 --> 00:37:16,000
trouble so he was redefining how the

922
00:37:22,630 --> 00:37:19,040
laws were you know an unjust law is no

923
00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:22,640
law at all and so he comes along with an

924
00:37:27,270 --> 00:37:25,119
interpretation of

925
00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:27,280
the torah

926
00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:29,280
that says why don't we have a little

927
00:37:32,550 --> 00:37:30,720
more love

928
00:37:34,950 --> 00:37:32,560
why don't we have a little more

929
00:37:37,190 --> 00:37:34,960
compassion it says you shouldn't work on

930
00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:37,200
the sabbath but if your sheep falls into

931
00:37:41,430 --> 00:37:39,839
a ditch you will go rescue that sheep

932
00:37:43,510 --> 00:37:41,440
even though you're not supposed to on

933
00:37:45,750 --> 00:37:43,520
the sabbath but of course you would

934
00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:45,760
because that's just common sense that's

935
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:47,760
just something you do

936
00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:50,560
so he comes along and he says

937
00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:52,880
some laws are made to be broken some

938
00:37:59,589 --> 00:37:54,960
laws are made to be flexible

939
00:38:04,870 --> 00:38:02,069
in 21st century some of the laws we have

940
00:38:07,589 --> 00:38:04,880
to revisit some of the laws

941
00:38:10,390 --> 00:38:07,599
we may have to even get rid of so you

942
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:10,400
know laws are ebbing and flowing all the

943
00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:13,200
time whether they're relational

944
00:38:22,630 --> 00:38:20,150
it's always the constant ebb and flow

945
00:38:24,710 --> 00:38:22,640
of what maybe worked 50 years ago may

946
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:24,720
not work now

947
00:38:29,349 --> 00:38:27,599
so maybe we need to revisit

948
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:29,359
some of the laws some of the things that

949
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:30,160
were

950
00:38:34,950 --> 00:38:33,119
you know life changes

951
00:38:37,750 --> 00:38:34,960
jesus says you don't put old wine and

952
00:38:40,390 --> 00:38:37,760
new wine skins so einstein says you

953
00:38:41,910 --> 00:38:40,400
can't solve a problem with with the same

954
00:38:44,710 --> 00:38:41,920
consciousness that created it in the

955
00:38:49,030 --> 00:38:44,720
first place and so laws

956
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:54,710
in a healthy society

957
00:39:00,310 --> 00:38:57,910
and if the society is unhealthy

958
00:39:02,150 --> 00:39:00,320
pick up a newspaper you'll see what it

959
00:39:03,589 --> 00:39:02,160
is

960
00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:03,599
you'll see it

961
00:39:12,069 --> 00:39:09,349
but you know but that takes me back to

962
00:39:14,470 --> 00:39:12,079
my original comment there were all of

963
00:39:17,030 --> 00:39:14,480
these laws and i don't know if it was

964
00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:17,040
because of population density

965
00:39:22,470 --> 00:39:20,240
or because people didn't follow the law

966
00:39:24,950 --> 00:39:22,480
you know that they're

967
00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:24,960
that it seems like we're in much worse

968
00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:26,640
shape now

969
00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:31,750
i mean we have a lot of freedoms but

970
00:39:35,589 --> 00:39:33,520
then we also have a lot of restrictions

971
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:35,599
i i i think i think

972
00:39:40,390 --> 00:39:38,160
yeah yeah i mean it you know what that

973
00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:40,400
kind of it's it's is the glass full of

974
00:39:44,710 --> 00:39:43,839
class half empty we can

975
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:44,720
you know

976
00:39:50,310 --> 00:39:47,520
look at life and say at least here in

977
00:39:52,310 --> 00:39:50,320
the west that it's getting worse

978
00:39:55,510 --> 00:39:52,320
and and i guess we could all point to

979
00:39:57,109 --> 00:39:55,520
that or you may look at it and say a new

980
00:39:59,990 --> 00:39:57,119
world is being born

981
00:40:03,030 --> 00:40:00,000
and the old world is going to hold on

982
00:40:09,270 --> 00:40:06,870
hold on to its power as long as it can

983
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:09,280
but life always goes forward we're not

984
00:40:13,670 --> 00:40:12,079
going to go backward

985
00:40:14,950 --> 00:40:13,680
and

986
00:40:24,150 --> 00:40:14,960
we live in

987
00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:25,990
yes we do

988
00:40:31,109 --> 00:40:26,880
yeah

989
00:40:35,670 --> 00:40:33,030
so let's kind of go back to our

990
00:40:36,790 --> 00:40:35,680
conversation more

991
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:36,800
in the book

992
00:40:44,550 --> 00:40:38,480
conversation because i know it'll just

993
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,270
let's see

994
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:48,870
in the bible

995
00:40:52,069 --> 00:40:49,680
um

996
00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:52,079
our you know we've been talking about

997
00:40:57,510 --> 00:40:54,400
god being uh

998
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:57,520
an extraterrestrial an extraterrestrial

999
00:40:59,990 --> 00:40:58,720
um

1000
00:41:04,630 --> 00:41:00,000
are there

1001
00:41:06,870 --> 00:41:04,640
that

1002
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:06,880
provide some kind of proof or some kind

1003
00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:08,880
of evidence that

1004
00:41:16,550 --> 00:41:11,680
supports the notion that

1005
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:16,560
god was not omnipotent but was some kind

1006
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,230
being

1007
00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:26,390
in the book of zechariah

1008
00:41:32,069 --> 00:41:29,430
there's a story where

1009
00:41:36,550 --> 00:41:32,079
god had sent

1010
00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:39,430
some people to patrol the earth

1011
00:41:44,390 --> 00:41:42,160
angels are patrolling the earth so you

1012
00:41:45,750 --> 00:41:44,400
have to ask

1013
00:41:47,349 --> 00:41:45,760
why

1014
00:41:49,990 --> 00:41:47,359
if you're omnipotent you know

1015
00:41:51,990 --> 00:41:50,000
all-knowing omniscient all-powerful

1016
00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:52,000
why would you have to patrol the earth

1017
00:41:58,069 --> 00:41:54,640
because you could see everything

1018
00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:58,079
why were the angels patrolling the earth

1019
00:42:02,390 --> 00:42:00,000
that's a good question

1020
00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:02,400
but when zechariah asked they showed him

1021
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:04,800
a scroll but they showed him a vision

1022
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:06,800
i'm trying to find it in here

1023
00:42:13,109 --> 00:42:09,839
in my other bible and he's saying is it

1024
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:13,119
the alternative extraterrestrial bible

1025
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:16,400
no no it's your regular bible oh you

1026
00:42:19,349 --> 00:42:17,760
know i think somebody should like

1027
00:42:20,550 --> 00:42:19,359
rewrite

1028
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:20,560
the bible

1029
00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:23,200
with uh an extraterrestrial twist on it

1030
00:42:26,950 --> 00:42:24,880
i think it would make for a much more

1031
00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:26,960
interesting read well you can do that

1032
00:42:31,109 --> 00:42:28,720
already all you have to do is put

1033
00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:31,119
everywhere you see angel put e.t and

1034
00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:32,400
you've written you've rewritten the

1035
00:42:36,390 --> 00:42:33,440
bible

1036
00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:36,400
um it's in zechariah 2

1037
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:37,760
um

1038
00:42:40,390 --> 00:42:39,119
zechariah 1

1039
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:40,400
verse 10

1040
00:42:44,470 --> 00:42:42,960
and the man stood among the myrtle trees

1041
00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:44,480
answered and said to me

1042
00:42:49,430 --> 00:42:47,200
these are whom the lord has sent to

1043
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:49,440
patrol the earth in the now that's in

1044
00:42:54,870 --> 00:42:52,000
the king james version in the

1045
00:42:57,910 --> 00:42:54,880
aramaic it says these are the people the

1046
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:57,920
lord has sent to walk to and fro through

1047
00:43:02,150 --> 00:42:59,760
the earth

1048
00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:02,160
and so why would you need people to go

1049
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:03,520
look around the earth and tell you

1050
00:43:14,470 --> 00:43:10,829
if we look

1051
00:43:16,950 --> 00:43:14,480
at abraham and sarah

1052
00:43:18,790 --> 00:43:16,960
the angels

1053
00:43:20,550 --> 00:43:18,800
meet abraham and sarah and they're

1054
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:20,560
talking about the cities of sodom and

1055
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:22,400
gomorrah and they're saying that the

1056
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:24,400
lord has sent us here

1057
00:43:30,069 --> 00:43:26,400
to find out if we can find

1058
00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:30,079
any just people or else we will

1059
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:31,760
destroy the city well if you're

1060
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:33,040
all-knowing you don't have to send

1061
00:43:36,550 --> 00:43:34,160
anybody

1062
00:43:38,710 --> 00:43:36,560
anywhere you know

1063
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:38,720
you know this

1064
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:46,550
it from what you're saying there are the

1065
00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:49,440
people that make the commentary that say

1066
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:50,720
uh

1067
00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:53,520
god or you know the extraterrestrial of

1068
00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:54,400
the bible

1069
00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:56,960
including the angels are non-corporeal

1070
00:44:02,390 --> 00:43:58,800
so we're not i'm not talking about the

1071
00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:02,400
big g god but the little g god um but in

1072
00:44:09,670 --> 00:44:06,400
these stories it sounds more like

1073
00:44:13,270 --> 00:44:09,680
they were at least in those moments

1074
00:44:15,430 --> 00:44:13,280
corporeal beings that abraham and sarah

1075
00:44:17,589 --> 00:44:15,440
and whoever else encountered them

1076
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:17,599
were able to interact with them talk

1077
00:44:21,430 --> 00:44:19,680
with them see them

1078
00:44:26,390 --> 00:44:21,440
well not only actually touch them not

1079
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:32,870
abraham and sarah fed the angels

1080
00:44:37,109 --> 00:44:35,190
they were hungry

1081
00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:37,119
apparently

1082
00:44:41,670 --> 00:44:39,359
they went to a jewish house you have to

1083
00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:41,680
have some nosh come on

1084
00:44:47,109 --> 00:44:44,400
well that's true no that's very true

1085
00:44:52,390 --> 00:44:47,119
uh a lot of people don't realize about

1086
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:57,829
a lot of people don't realize that

1087
00:45:03,190 --> 00:44:59,990
but it seems to me that

1088
00:45:06,390 --> 00:45:03,200
those kind of stories i mean especially

1089
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:06,400
in the the first five books of the bible

1090
00:45:10,950 --> 00:45:08,160
in the torah that

1091
00:45:13,349 --> 00:45:10,960
god's all over the place god is doing

1092
00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:13,359
all kinds of miraculous

1093
00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:16,319
things um interacting with the people

1094
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:19,760
quite regularly and then once you leave

1095
00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:21,520
that once they enter the milk you know

1096
00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:23,760
the land of milk and honey he kind of

1097
00:45:27,990 --> 00:45:25,520
backs off for a

1098
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:28,000
unknown reason

1099
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:30,000
well also we don't really know if it's

1100
00:45:35,349 --> 00:45:32,640
god because sometimes god

1101
00:45:37,589 --> 00:45:35,359
and the phrase the lord are used

1102
00:45:39,910 --> 00:45:37,599
interchangeably the lord could be the

1103
00:45:41,109 --> 00:45:39,920
captain of a ship

1104
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:41,119
they're both they're both used

1105
00:45:49,510 --> 00:45:46,710
um

1106
00:45:50,790 --> 00:45:49,520
rabbi wayne dossick he has a book called

1107
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:50,800
uh

1108
00:45:54,630 --> 00:45:53,760
the real name of god

1109
00:45:57,990 --> 00:45:54,640
and

1110
00:45:58,829 --> 00:45:58,000
that's one of his comments is that

1111
00:46:02,470 --> 00:45:58,839
uh

1112
00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:02,480
elohim and some of the other titles

1113
00:46:09,030 --> 00:46:06,560
that are used or act they're not names

1114
00:46:14,309 --> 00:46:09,040
but they're actually titles

1115
00:46:16,150 --> 00:46:14,319
and are talking about different people

1116
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:16,160
so i think that's kind of interesting it

1117
00:46:19,670 --> 00:46:18,960
makes me wish that i could read hebrew

1118
00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:19,680
or

1119
00:46:28,630 --> 00:46:24,880
anything that was not english and even

1120
00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:28,640
my english isn't even that good but um

1121
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:30,640
yeah you know to go back to some of the

1122
00:46:34,710 --> 00:46:33,599
source material and actually read it in

1123
00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:34,720
source

1124
00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:36,000
yeah

1125
00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:40,240
well you could pardon me you could

1126
00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:42,960
always pick up um

1127
00:46:46,950 --> 00:46:45,200
you know the hebrew translation

1128
00:46:49,030 --> 00:46:46,960
english translation of the hebrew or you

1129
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:49,040
could always pick up

1130
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:52,640
oh i have it's an american bible it's uh

1131
00:46:55,990 --> 00:46:54,400
it's a greek hebrew bible where they

1132
00:47:00,230 --> 00:46:56,000
have the hebrew words and the greek

1133
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:03,109
too complicated

1134
00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:15,430
i mean because it seems to me i mean

1135
00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:18,240
people have commented that i talk about

1136
00:47:24,230 --> 00:47:21,839
moses too much but i'm sorry as far as

1137
00:47:26,630 --> 00:47:24,240
you know old testament characters go

1138
00:47:29,910 --> 00:47:26,640
he's totally my favorite because he got

1139
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:29,920
to hang out with god one on one

1140
00:47:33,910 --> 00:47:31,440
well we don't know

1141
00:47:36,790 --> 00:47:33,920
because the bible is it's it doesn't

1142
00:47:40,150 --> 00:47:36,800
tell us i'm looking at chapter 33 of the

1143
00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:40,160
exodus verse 11 and the lord spoke to

1144
00:47:45,109 --> 00:47:42,880
moses face to face as a man speaks to

1145
00:47:46,950 --> 00:47:45,119
his friend okay that's

1146
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:46,960
verse 11.

1147
00:47:50,470 --> 00:47:48,480
verse 20 says

1148
00:47:53,910 --> 00:47:50,480
you cannot see my face for no man can

1149
00:47:55,750 --> 00:47:53,920
see me and live which is it

1150
00:47:59,430 --> 00:47:55,760
when they wrote it they didn't

1151
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:02,950
but i think moses had kind of special

1152
00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:07,200
dispensation versus anybody else

1153
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:08,400
i don't know

1154
00:48:13,750 --> 00:48:10,800
i wasn't there but i'm just saying

1155
00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:13,760
the bible act the book of exodus is very

1156
00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:16,400
it's unclear like i said in chapter

1157
00:48:21,109 --> 00:48:18,800
verse 11 it says lord spoke to moses

1158
00:48:22,870 --> 00:48:21,119
face to face as a man speaks to a friend

1159
00:48:27,190 --> 00:48:22,880
and then you go down to

1160
00:48:29,349 --> 00:48:27,200
uh verse 20 means not a long ways down

1161
00:48:31,589 --> 00:48:29,359
and the lord says to moses you cannot

1162
00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:31,599
see my face for no man can see me and

1163
00:48:37,750 --> 00:48:36,150
that's because he looked like an

1164
00:48:39,990 --> 00:48:37,760
extraterrestrial

1165
00:48:43,109 --> 00:48:40,000
and he didn't want to scare him

1166
00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:43,119
but how does that relate to the

1167
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:45,599
verse 11 where it says moses saw him

1168
00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:46,880
face to face

1169
00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:53,430
but it seems like and this is kind of my

1170
00:48:57,430 --> 00:48:54,960
interpretation

1171
00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:57,440
that they did interact i mean maybe they

1172
00:49:01,670 --> 00:48:59,760
didn't look at god

1173
00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:01,680
because maybe god was in the holy of

1174
00:49:05,430 --> 00:49:04,640
holies but i've gotten the impression

1175
00:49:08,150 --> 00:49:05,440
that

1176
00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:08,160
god would come and hang out in the

1177
00:49:14,390 --> 00:49:10,800
tabernacle and moses and aaron and

1178
00:49:17,670 --> 00:49:14,400
whoever was attending and was sanctified

1179
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:17,680
to go into the holy of holies got to

1180
00:49:23,109 --> 00:49:20,640
interact with god on some level even if

1181
00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:23,119
there was some kind of a divider but

1182
00:49:26,470 --> 00:49:24,240
be in

1183
00:49:31,510 --> 00:49:26,480
his presence

1184
00:49:35,910 --> 00:49:33,670
different question do you think that

1185
00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:35,920
people uh the people that wrote the

1186
00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:37,760
bible whether it was moses or somebody

1187
00:49:43,750 --> 00:49:40,319
else could have come up with these

1188
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:43,760
stories and these descriptions if they

1189
00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:47,040
were not talking about actual events

1190
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:53,109
i have no idea

1191
00:49:59,190 --> 00:49:56,160
i'm i think that they were

1192
00:50:02,309 --> 00:49:59,200
well we know parts of genesis are

1193
00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:02,319
you know parts of the sumerian gilgamesh

1194
00:50:06,309 --> 00:50:04,400
uh tale especially around talking about

1195
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:06,319
the flood so we do know that they

1196
00:50:12,549 --> 00:50:08,800
borrowed heavily from other creation

1197
00:50:15,349 --> 00:50:12,559
myths but i believe for the most part

1198
00:50:17,349 --> 00:50:15,359
they were trying to

1199
00:50:19,829 --> 00:50:17,359
the writers were trying to

1200
00:50:21,750 --> 00:50:19,839
describe an experience in the vernacular

1201
00:50:23,910 --> 00:50:21,760
of their day

1202
00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:23,920
and so they were using

1203
00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:26,480
the words that they knew how to use and

1204
00:50:30,630 --> 00:50:28,480
words can sometimes get in the way but

1205
00:50:32,230 --> 00:50:30,640
words are all we have

1206
00:50:34,870 --> 00:50:32,240
and so i believe that they were trying

1207
00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:34,880
to describe an experience

1208
00:50:37,670 --> 00:50:36,400
and they were doing that to the best of

1209
00:50:39,990 --> 00:50:37,680
their ability

1210
00:50:44,069 --> 00:50:40,000
as far as what they could imagine i

1211
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:47,190
it's a pretty good imagination though

1212
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:53,430
yeah

1213
00:51:01,990 --> 00:50:56,150
i mean personally i wish that they would

1214
00:51:06,790 --> 00:51:04,630
gave the jewish people validity

1215
00:51:08,309 --> 00:51:06,800
in egypt so that they could date them

1216
00:51:09,910 --> 00:51:08,319
and look at some of the other history

1217
00:51:10,710 --> 00:51:09,920
that was going on

1218
00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:10,720
to

1219
00:51:13,510 --> 00:51:11,680
uh

1220
00:51:14,790 --> 00:51:13,520
verify the exodus because there are

1221
00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:14,800
people that

1222
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:16,720
make the claim that that didn't even

1223
00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:20,400
happen and that was just a whole story

1224
00:51:25,030 --> 00:51:22,640
yeah you know and i'm sure you can find

1225
00:51:27,430 --> 00:51:25,040
if you google or do some research yeah

1226
00:51:29,349 --> 00:51:27,440
you can find archaeologists

1227
00:51:31,349 --> 00:51:29,359
who have come up with

1228
00:51:35,109 --> 00:51:31,359
uh

1229
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:35,119
items or or theories to back this up but

1230
00:51:39,349 --> 00:51:36,960
you know

1231
00:51:40,950 --> 00:51:39,359
religion is a tricky thing listen for

1232
00:51:44,069 --> 00:51:40,960
those who believe

1233
00:51:45,829 --> 00:51:44,079
no amount of evidence is necessary

1234
00:51:48,630 --> 00:51:45,839
and for those who don't believe no

1235
00:51:51,670 --> 00:51:48,640
amount of evidence will ever be enough

1236
00:51:53,349 --> 00:51:51,680
so it's almost like chasing your tail

1237
00:51:56,549 --> 00:51:53,359
if you if someone comes up with

1238
00:51:57,430 --> 00:51:56,559
something and you believe it

1239
00:51:59,589 --> 00:51:57,440
then

1240
00:52:00,870 --> 00:51:59,599
you go with that because there's no

1241
00:52:01,910 --> 00:52:00,880
total

1242
00:52:04,150 --> 00:52:01,920
proof

1243
00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:04,160
about any of this well some of it but

1244
00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:06,240
but but there's you know

1245
00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:07,920
you you can you can go your whole life

1246
00:52:12,309 --> 00:52:10,240
doing that

1247
00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:12,319
and people will say you know i don't

1248
00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:14,720
believe it no matter what

1249
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:16,559
uh we have people do that in the ufo

1250
00:52:20,950 --> 00:52:18,480
community they you know they

1251
00:52:22,230 --> 00:52:20,960
people have camcorder evidence or phone

1252
00:52:23,990 --> 00:52:22,240
evidence and yeah some things are

1253
00:52:25,750 --> 00:52:24,000
doctrine but a lot of these things are

1254
00:52:27,349 --> 00:52:25,760
pretty real and you still have people

1255
00:52:34,309 --> 00:52:27,359
say well i still need a little more

1256
00:52:37,990 --> 00:52:36,390
but there are so many things in the

1257
00:52:40,230 --> 00:52:38,000
world that

1258
00:52:41,510 --> 00:52:40,240
are

1259
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:41,520
probable

1260
00:52:46,950 --> 00:52:43,920
or they're theoretical

1261
00:52:49,190 --> 00:52:46,960
that are put out as fact you know and i

1262
00:52:53,510 --> 00:52:49,200
appreciate that you're saying well we

1263
00:52:55,670 --> 00:52:53,520
don't know and so it's not a fact um

1264
00:52:58,710 --> 00:52:55,680
it's not saying that it's not you know

1265
00:53:01,990 --> 00:52:58,720
that is it's just a fairy tale but we we

1266
00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:02,000
can't provide whether it's facts or not

1267
00:53:07,030 --> 00:53:04,800
um you know there are those years ago

1268
00:53:09,430 --> 00:53:07,040
you know 500 years ago that said the

1269
00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:09,440
world was flat and that is what they

1270
00:53:17,670 --> 00:53:15,109
yeah i mean i mean you know listen i

1271
00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:17,680
guess it depends on the individual

1272
00:53:22,390 --> 00:53:20,160
so you know i i don't know

1273
00:53:24,069 --> 00:53:22,400
you know you can you can go around

1274
00:53:26,230 --> 00:53:24,079
trying to prove and trying to prove and

1275
00:53:28,710 --> 00:53:26,240
trying to prove if that's one's calling

1276
00:53:31,109 --> 00:53:28,720
then one has to do that i i just have a

1277
00:53:33,829 --> 00:53:31,119
different take on it because i realize

1278
00:53:36,150 --> 00:53:33,839
that at least for me

1279
00:53:37,510 --> 00:53:36,160
information is not wisdom

1280
00:53:41,829 --> 00:53:37,520
information

1281
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:41,839
and we can go our whole lives trying to

1282
00:53:46,549 --> 00:53:43,920
get information

1283
00:53:47,990 --> 00:53:46,559
we live in the information age

1284
00:53:50,230 --> 00:53:48,000
i think as far as religion and

1285
00:53:52,150 --> 00:53:50,240
spirituality goes it's good to try to

1286
00:53:54,150 --> 00:53:52,160
come up with some answers but at least

1287
00:53:57,030 --> 00:53:54,160
some wisdom to live by

1288
00:53:59,030 --> 00:53:57,040
so it depends you know uh where your

1289
00:54:01,589 --> 00:53:59,040
head is

1290
00:54:04,870 --> 00:54:01,599
but you don't have to have the bible in

1291
00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:04,880
order to have the wisdom to live by i

1292
00:54:08,069 --> 00:54:06,480
know i don't think uh yeah i'm not

1293
00:54:10,230 --> 00:54:08,079
implying that

1294
00:54:12,549 --> 00:54:10,240
well i i'm just i don't believe that you

1295
00:54:14,150 --> 00:54:12,559
can have whatever you want

1296
00:54:16,870 --> 00:54:14,160
you know but there are so many people

1297
00:54:18,470 --> 00:54:16,880
that believe that that if you don't have

1298
00:54:21,910 --> 00:54:18,480
the book and you don't believe in the

1299
00:54:23,910 --> 00:54:21,920
book you can't be spiritual right and

1300
00:54:27,750 --> 00:54:23,920
and and and that's their opinion but

1301
00:54:31,990 --> 00:54:29,270
and and yeah

1302
00:54:33,430 --> 00:54:32,000
and you're not going to change that

1303
00:54:36,630 --> 00:54:33,440
the only person you can change is

1304
00:54:42,309 --> 00:54:38,790
almost took me almost 60 years to figure

1305
00:54:47,430 --> 00:54:44,390
i'm not even touching that date see i

1306
00:54:49,109 --> 00:54:47,440
don't make myself more than like 20.

1307
00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:49,119
yeah well when you

1308
00:54:56,069 --> 00:54:50,880
but you'll find it out when you're 25

1309
00:54:57,829 --> 00:54:56,079
though oh in like a million years yeah

1310
00:55:01,910 --> 00:54:57,839
yeah

1311
00:55:04,069 --> 00:55:01,920
so you know it's it's it's all gross for

1312
00:55:07,349 --> 00:55:04,079
the mill i guess

1313
00:55:10,390 --> 00:55:07,359
do you think that um

1314
00:55:14,150 --> 00:55:10,400
the biblical narratives about e.t will

1315
00:55:17,030 --> 00:55:14,160
ever be uh reconciled within the caf and

1316
00:55:19,829 --> 00:55:17,040
i'm talking catholic let's talk

1317
00:55:21,990 --> 00:55:19,839
catholic versus christian in the

1318
00:55:25,030 --> 00:55:22,000
catholic faith

1319
00:55:26,950 --> 00:55:25,040
i think it already is being reconciled

1320
00:55:28,390 --> 00:55:26,960
um

1321
00:55:30,150 --> 00:55:28,400
you have the pope

1322
00:55:33,190 --> 00:55:30,160
well this has been going on since about

1323
00:55:34,230 --> 00:55:33,200
2005 at least the vatican dropping heavy

1324
00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:34,240
hints

1325
00:55:36,309 --> 00:55:35,440
about

1326
00:55:38,790 --> 00:55:36,319
life

1327
00:55:41,190 --> 00:55:38,800
elsewhere visiting us

1328
00:55:42,230 --> 00:55:41,200
talking about uh

1329
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:42,240
you know

1330
00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:44,160
these are our brothers and sisters and

1331
00:55:49,270 --> 00:55:46,400
that kind of thing so

1332
00:55:52,549 --> 00:55:49,280
um they're already ahead of the game

1333
00:55:54,390 --> 00:55:52,559
in a lot of ways uh and i i think i make

1334
00:55:57,109 --> 00:55:54,400
the point in the book

1335
00:55:58,470 --> 00:55:57,119
just like with hinduism catholicism will

1336
00:56:02,230 --> 00:55:58,480
do very well

1337
00:56:03,990 --> 00:56:02,240
um if there's ever a

1338
00:56:05,589 --> 00:56:04,000
disclosure

1339
00:56:07,109 --> 00:56:05,599
even though this closure in my mind is

1340
00:56:10,069 --> 00:56:07,119
happening already

1341
00:56:12,069 --> 00:56:10,079
but uh because they make room in their

1342
00:56:14,630 --> 00:56:12,079
cosmology for

1343
00:56:16,950 --> 00:56:14,640
uh angels and other beings and saints

1344
00:56:18,710 --> 00:56:16,960
and what have you uh so

1345
00:56:21,430 --> 00:56:18,720
one could say

1346
00:56:22,230 --> 00:56:21,440
as the pope has said that there

1347
00:56:26,789 --> 00:56:22,240
is

1348
00:56:29,589 --> 00:56:26,799
god's creation and they could have

1349
00:56:31,829 --> 00:56:29,599
god-like capabilities or or what have

1350
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:31,839
you uh they're not god itself but god

1351
00:56:36,470 --> 00:56:33,839
dwells in them and they make room for

1352
00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:36,480
that they make room for other deities if

1353
00:56:41,990 --> 00:56:40,079
you will as does hinduism

1354
00:56:42,789 --> 00:56:42,000
protestant christianity will have a lot

1355
00:56:45,109 --> 00:56:42,799
of

1356
00:56:47,270 --> 00:56:45,119
explaining and catching up to do

1357
00:56:49,270 --> 00:56:47,280
because they don't make room for that

1358
00:56:50,789 --> 00:56:49,280
there's god there's jesus there's angels

1359
00:56:53,349 --> 00:56:50,799
and that's it

1360
00:56:55,670 --> 00:56:53,359
and we don't and there's my jesus well

1361
00:56:57,750 --> 00:56:55,680
no but see there's my jesus and there's

1362
00:56:59,750 --> 00:56:57,760
your jesus and then there's somebody

1363
00:57:00,950 --> 00:56:59,760
else's jesus so really there's a lot of

1364
00:57:03,190 --> 00:57:00,960
jesuses

1365
00:57:04,069 --> 00:57:03,200
and so

1366
00:57:07,030 --> 00:57:04,079
there's

1367
00:57:09,030 --> 00:57:07,040
i'm shutting up anyway um

1368
00:57:10,829 --> 00:57:09,040
but in the catholic faith i'm gonna go

1369
00:57:12,789 --> 00:57:10,839
back here for a second

1370
00:57:14,789 --> 00:57:12,799
um

1371
00:57:17,349 --> 00:57:14,799
how will they reconcile or will they

1372
00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:17,359
even try to reconcile

1373
00:57:21,990 --> 00:57:20,400
the character that is in the bible

1374
00:57:25,190 --> 00:57:22,000
versus

1375
00:57:28,230 --> 00:57:25,200
god who created all of the creatures

1376
00:57:29,670 --> 00:57:28,240
whatever planet or universe you live on

1377
00:57:32,309 --> 00:57:29,680
what character are you talking about

1378
00:57:34,470 --> 00:57:32,319
yahweh we'll use yahweh

1379
00:57:37,510 --> 00:57:34,480
well they haven't even come out and said

1380
00:57:39,270 --> 00:57:37,520
this is yahweh they're just saying god

1381
00:57:40,710 --> 00:57:39,280
and i you know like i'm not catholic so

1382
00:57:42,630 --> 00:57:40,720
i don't really know i'm just going by

1383
00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:42,640
what i'm hearing the pope saying and

1384
00:57:47,349 --> 00:57:44,160
what he's been writing

1385
00:57:49,910 --> 00:57:47,359
that there's no problem there's god and

1386
00:57:50,870 --> 00:57:49,920
and and then and the rest of creation

1387
00:57:53,109 --> 00:57:50,880
and so

1388
00:57:56,470 --> 00:57:53,119
we're all brothers and sisters that's

1389
00:57:59,910 --> 00:57:58,309
and i won't even say reconcile because

1390
00:58:02,710 --> 00:57:59,920
it didn't seem like they had a problem

1391
00:58:06,150 --> 00:58:04,950
so that's that's all they're saying but

1392
00:58:07,910 --> 00:58:06,160
at least

1393
00:58:10,230 --> 00:58:07,920
they're saying that there's there's a

1394
00:58:13,430 --> 00:58:10,240
great possibility of extraterrestrial

1395
00:58:15,510 --> 00:58:13,440
life we need to get on board with this

1396
00:58:18,870 --> 00:58:15,520
and um

1397
00:58:21,589 --> 00:58:18,880
you know and be prepared you don't hear

1398
00:58:23,430 --> 00:58:21,599
franklin graham or

1399
00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:23,440
any of these other protestant ministers

1400
00:58:27,829 --> 00:58:25,680
even entertaining it

1401
00:58:31,270 --> 00:58:27,839
but we need to go to break and let's

1402
00:58:32,630 --> 00:58:31,280
come back on this topic okay okay

1403
00:58:34,789 --> 00:58:32,640
okay

1404
00:58:53,589 --> 00:58:34,799
we're here talking to michael carter his

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hello and welcome back to just energy

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thank you all for staying tuned for the

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carter about his book a new world if you

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michael before the break we were talking

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about um

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whether the church was going to be able

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to reconcile the concept of ets or

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you know a little bit about christianity

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and how they wouldn't be able to or not

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as easily be able to reconcile that

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concept

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in your studies what about other

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cultures um things that are not

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judeo-christian do they have a belief in

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sky people or no or how do they fall

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into this whole thing

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well i found that most

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most cultures

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had some have some type of cosmology

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where there are people who have come

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down from the sky just very

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interestingly uh the dalai lama weighed

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in

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a couple of weeks ago it was on facebook

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talking about

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um uh extraterrestrial life and and

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again that they were

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uh if it in fact was so that they were

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part of creation and that we would have

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to embrace them as such again we have

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native american cosmology

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uh

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we have you know i just mentioned

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tibetan or the buddhist cosmology

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most cultures

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have stories in their

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uh paradigm of beings who've come down

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from the sky

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uh have given us technology or wisdom

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taught us how to live

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or gave us some guidelines about how to

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take care of ourselves how to take care

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of one another so it's pretty pervasive

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um

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if you go if you google flood stories

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flood narratives and there's a whole

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slew

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of religions that all that all talk

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about the earth

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um uh having a flood

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and uh uh

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and it's just remarkable so it makes one

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think well all these people can't be

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lying uh there's something historical

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here

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so

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it it really is a tremendous amount of

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knowledge and a tremendous uh amount of

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information about uh the possibility of

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life um on other worlds coming and

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but then what happened to us how come we

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have such a distance

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from that thought and from that belief

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the only answer i can come up with is

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that we were told that it wasn't true

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and sometimes it's harder to

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unlearn things than it is to learn

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something new i mean if you're instilled

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which many of us were at uh at an early

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age

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with whatever

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that's what you're going to grow up

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believing

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and especially if to question

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means you don't have faith

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if the question means that you are a

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troublemaker well it's only very human

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to say well i'm just going to

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keep that to myself

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or uh i must be wrong they must be right

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so

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i know there may be other

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reasons but that reason stands out to me

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especially around a religion

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many people are just coming to this but

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many people this is why ancient aliens

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can be on for seven seasons this is why

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all these ufo shows and all these books

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are coming out because the paradigm has

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shifted this is why 48 percent of the

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american people believe that there's

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life on other planets this is why 50

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percent of the american people believe

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that the government is lying to us

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this is why france and brazil

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and mexico and new zealand and great

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britain this is why in russia this is

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why these these these nations have

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released at least some of their ufo data

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we're coming into a new world

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and the old world is passing away but

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it's not going to go out without a fight

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but the data is there to show us and to

1676
01:11:03,030 --> 01:10:58,560
tell us that people aren't believing

1677
01:11:06,870 --> 01:11:05,430
but that's a good thing i think i think

1678
01:11:09,270 --> 01:11:06,880
so too

1679
01:11:13,510 --> 01:11:09,280
this is how the world changes one person

1680
01:11:14,950 --> 01:11:13,520
at a time it's it's it's evolution

1681
01:11:17,270 --> 01:11:14,960
but it also

1682
01:11:20,229 --> 01:11:17,280
sometimes it goes at a glacial pace as

1683
01:11:24,830 --> 01:11:20,239
you and i know but yeah

1684
01:11:28,070 --> 01:11:24,840
but it also forces us to have to look

1685
01:11:30,870 --> 01:11:28,080
at information that is coming out of

1686
01:11:34,070 --> 01:11:30,880
cultures that in the western world would

1687
01:11:34,950 --> 01:11:34,080
be viewed as being primitive

1688
01:11:36,390 --> 01:11:34,960
uh

1689
01:11:37,590 --> 01:11:36,400
that's right

1690
01:11:39,590 --> 01:11:37,600
and

1691
01:11:42,390 --> 01:11:39,600
take another look at it that maybe they

1692
01:11:45,030 --> 01:11:42,400
have the answers which that's a huge

1693
01:11:47,990 --> 01:11:45,040
paradigm right there that they can't

1694
01:11:50,390 --> 01:11:48,000
know anything you are right i mean it's

1695
01:11:52,550 --> 01:11:50,400
changing i mean listen we you know

1696
01:11:54,390 --> 01:11:52,560
remember the old days i mean women

1697
01:11:57,189 --> 01:11:54,400
should be barefoot and pregnant

1698
01:12:00,390 --> 01:11:57,199
we may wind up having a woman presidency

1699
01:12:03,189 --> 01:12:00,400
uh we have women who now the good news

1700
01:12:05,830 --> 01:12:03,199
is that at least in our society we have

1701
01:12:08,149 --> 01:12:05,840
more female ceos and presidents of

1702
01:12:10,229 --> 01:12:08,159
corporations and stuff the bad news is

1703
01:12:12,790 --> 01:12:10,239
we still can't pay him enough but i mean

1704
01:12:14,470 --> 01:12:12,800
look at look at the paradigm that is

1705
01:12:17,270 --> 01:12:14,480
that has changed doesn't mean that

1706
01:12:20,070 --> 01:12:17,280
racism is gone but we have a president

1707
01:12:22,950 --> 01:12:20,080
of color i mean look at the berlin wall

1708
01:12:25,910 --> 01:12:22,960
comes i mean look at the paradigms uh i

1709
01:12:28,229 --> 01:12:25,920
went to see annie with my daughter and

1710
01:12:31,189 --> 01:12:28,239
wife a couple weeks ago and there's a

1711
01:12:33,830 --> 01:12:31,199
kiss between this british woman and

1712
01:12:35,669 --> 01:12:33,840
jamie foxx right there on the screen i

1713
01:12:37,030 --> 01:12:35,679
was like oh my god they went there i

1714
01:12:38,550 --> 01:12:37,040
mean there was a time where they would

1715
01:12:43,030 --> 01:12:38,560
have been lynched

1716
01:12:44,950 --> 01:12:43,040
uh so so because it was interracial yeah

1717
01:12:49,590 --> 01:12:44,960
do you know do you know when they had

1718
01:12:52,149 --> 01:12:49,600
the first televised interracial kiss

1719
01:12:58,630 --> 01:12:52,159
it may have been on star trek it was it

1720
01:13:01,910 --> 01:13:00,630
it was in space

1721
01:13:04,390 --> 01:13:01,920
well the big thing though is when you

1722
01:13:06,630 --> 01:13:04,400
see the opposite

1723
01:13:08,390 --> 01:13:06,640
because all through history a white

1724
01:13:11,430 --> 01:13:08,400
brother could be with anybody

1725
01:13:14,149 --> 01:13:11,440
uh uh if there wasn't the big threat of

1726
01:13:16,870 --> 01:13:14,159
a white man kissing a black woman

1727
01:13:18,229 --> 01:13:16,880
but you still have some people who the

1728
01:13:20,870 --> 01:13:18,239
other way around it really gets them

1729
01:13:22,310 --> 01:13:20,880
going but yet in the movie annie we saw

1730
01:13:25,189 --> 01:13:22,320
that so i mean

1731
01:13:27,910 --> 01:13:25,199
my point is this paradigms change

1732
01:13:30,950 --> 01:13:27,920
sometimes at a glacial pace but they do

1733
01:13:34,470 --> 01:13:30,960
change and it's always upheaval and

1734
01:13:36,709 --> 01:13:34,480
there's always fear but they do change

1735
01:13:38,790 --> 01:13:36,719
and we're seeing a new paradigm now

1736
01:13:40,870 --> 01:13:38,800
where people are saying you know what i

1737
01:13:43,430 --> 01:13:40,880
don't think we're alone

1738
01:13:45,590 --> 01:13:43,440
i'm not kind or maybe i'm not too sure

1739
01:13:47,669 --> 01:13:45,600
but i kind of don't know but i'm

1740
01:13:48,870 --> 01:13:47,679
thinking we're not alone that's a big

1741
01:13:49,590 --> 01:13:48,880
shift from

1742
01:13:51,830 --> 01:13:49,600
no

1743
01:13:59,590 --> 01:13:51,840
we're all alone and these are weather

1744
01:14:06,709 --> 01:14:03,910
yeah on that note on that note

1745
01:14:09,229 --> 01:14:06,719
how far back do you think an

1746
01:14:10,990 --> 01:14:09,239
understanding or the concept of

1747
01:14:13,030 --> 01:14:11,000
extraterrestrial go

1748
01:14:15,270 --> 01:14:13,040
extraterrestrials go

1749
01:14:18,630 --> 01:14:15,280
do you think it's a recent phenomena and

1750
01:14:22,630 --> 01:14:18,640
i don't mean a belief in

1751
01:14:25,030 --> 01:14:22,640
a god per se but the idea that there are

1752
01:14:27,990 --> 01:14:25,040
people visiting us from another planet

1753
01:14:30,070 --> 01:14:28,000
you know kind of that mindset yeah well

1754
01:14:32,630 --> 01:14:30,080
we know the egyptians you know

1755
01:14:34,070 --> 01:14:32,640
uh knew about extraterrestrial life so

1756
01:14:37,350 --> 01:14:34,080
you know yeah i hear what you're saying

1757
01:14:39,270 --> 01:14:37,360
not when kenneth clark in 1947 saw you

1758
01:14:41,510 --> 01:14:39,280
know that uh

1759
01:14:43,510 --> 01:14:41,520
the squadron of ships but i mean at

1760
01:14:45,990 --> 01:14:43,520
least back to the the first the

1761
01:14:47,430 --> 01:14:46,000
beginning dynasties in egypt and and

1762
01:14:49,990 --> 01:14:47,440
that's a great question because that's

1763
01:14:53,270 --> 01:14:50,000
what got me going if i saw

1764
01:14:54,709 --> 01:14:53,280
this being in 1989

1765
01:14:58,310 --> 01:14:54,719
then these people have probably been

1766
01:14:59,750 --> 01:14:58,320
around since 1989 before the common era

1767
01:15:03,030 --> 01:14:59,760
and beyond

1768
01:15:05,189 --> 01:15:03,040
i don't i don't know if there really was

1769
01:15:07,270 --> 01:15:05,199
ever a time when these folks did not

1770
01:15:08,950 --> 01:15:07,280
exist now

1771
01:15:10,630 --> 01:15:08,960
when did they start visiting earth we

1772
01:15:13,590 --> 01:15:10,640
don't know but if we look at these

1773
01:15:15,030 --> 01:15:13,600
biblical texts or we look in the koran

1774
01:15:18,070 --> 01:15:15,040
they're there

1775
01:15:21,270 --> 01:15:18,080
if we look at some of the writings of of

1776
01:15:25,750 --> 01:15:21,280
ancient egypt they're talking about uh

1777
01:15:28,870 --> 01:15:25,760
flying shields and what have you

1778
01:15:29,910 --> 01:15:28,880
it makes you wonder what they thought

1779
01:15:31,830 --> 01:15:29,920
did they think they were

1780
01:15:33,910 --> 01:15:31,840
extraterrestrial you know what was going

1781
01:15:35,750 --> 01:15:33,920
through their minds well it seems they

1782
01:15:37,669 --> 01:15:35,760
thought they were gods because of the

1783
01:15:39,750 --> 01:15:37,679
technology and the things

1784
01:15:44,790 --> 01:15:39,760
it probably looked like magic what these

1785
01:15:47,910 --> 01:15:46,470
and now we just have a different name

1786
01:15:49,990 --> 01:15:47,920
for them

1787
01:15:53,030 --> 01:15:50,000
well they don't appear so god like

1788
01:15:53,910 --> 01:15:53,040
because we have the technology

1789
01:15:58,709 --> 01:15:53,920
but

1790
01:16:00,870 --> 01:15:58,719
of these people rita who says that all

1791
01:16:04,229 --> 01:16:00,880
of them are here to sing kumbaya and

1792
01:16:08,470 --> 01:16:04,239
hold our hands but i am saying that

1793
01:16:10,550 --> 01:16:08,480
many of them their spirituality is

1794
01:16:12,950 --> 01:16:10,560
is is

1795
01:16:15,030 --> 01:16:12,960
it's just so far ahead of ours and

1796
01:16:16,870 --> 01:16:15,040
that's the concern we're like little

1797
01:16:20,070 --> 01:16:16,880
kids playing with

1798
01:16:22,229 --> 01:16:20,080
a gun uh we we split the atom we make we

1799
01:16:25,110 --> 01:16:22,239
use it for weapons and they're trying to

1800
01:16:26,709 --> 01:16:25,120
say you got to chill out on the violence

1801
01:16:29,110 --> 01:16:26,719
you've got to chill out on what you're

1802
01:16:32,950 --> 01:16:29,120
doing to the earth you got to be kidding

1803
01:16:38,950 --> 01:16:37,110
that's the message wait say that again

1804
01:16:41,030 --> 01:16:38,960
the messages

1805
01:16:43,030 --> 01:16:41,040
that have come

1806
01:16:46,310 --> 01:16:43,040
whether it's from

1807
01:16:48,070 --> 01:16:46,320
the old contactees back in the 50s uh

1808
01:16:51,030 --> 01:16:48,080
the people that john mack has talked

1809
01:16:52,390 --> 01:16:51,040
about myself the the big message that

1810
01:16:56,630 --> 01:16:52,400
comes through

1811
01:17:00,149 --> 01:16:56,640
is that you are too violent

1812
01:17:03,030 --> 01:17:00,159
that you are too fear-based

1813
01:17:05,750 --> 01:17:03,040
you are too primitive in your beliefs

1814
01:17:08,229 --> 01:17:05,760
you are destroying the planet you've got

1815
01:17:09,830 --> 01:17:08,239
to chill out on the violence you've got

1816
01:17:11,990 --> 01:17:09,840
to chill out on this belief in

1817
01:17:16,149 --> 01:17:12,000
separatism look what you're doing to

1818
01:17:18,149 --> 01:17:16,159
your planet that has been the message

1819
01:17:22,550 --> 01:17:18,159
60 years ago

1820
01:17:26,950 --> 01:17:24,470
so there aren't any messages about take

1821
01:17:31,350 --> 01:17:26,960
me to your leader and we're going to

1822
01:17:33,750 --> 01:17:31,360
take over blah blah blah blah i have not

1823
01:17:35,750 --> 01:17:33,760
gotten any of those messages i have not

1824
01:17:37,270 --> 01:17:35,760
really read i mean if they were going to

1825
01:17:39,590 --> 01:17:37,280
take over my god don't you think they

1826
01:17:41,990 --> 01:17:39,600
could have done it by now

1827
01:17:44,470 --> 01:17:42,000
well that's kind of my thought yeah so

1828
01:17:45,270 --> 01:17:44,480
it's not and it's not about

1829
01:17:47,350 --> 01:17:45,280
that

1830
01:17:48,630 --> 01:17:47,360
it's about the evolution of

1831
01:17:51,830 --> 01:17:48,640
consciousness

1832
01:17:54,070 --> 01:17:51,840
it's about changing your paradigm from

1833
01:17:56,550 --> 01:17:54,080
fear to love

1834
01:17:58,950 --> 01:17:56,560
it's about getting over it that if your

1835
01:18:01,189 --> 01:17:58,960
tea party and i'm not or your hair is

1836
01:18:02,709 --> 01:18:01,199
kinkier than mine or you're gay or my

1837
01:18:04,950 --> 01:18:02,719
state they don't they don't have these

1838
01:18:06,630 --> 01:18:04,960
kind of uh these kind of perspectives

1839
01:18:09,030 --> 01:18:06,640
this is like a child

1840
01:18:11,189 --> 01:18:09,040
and what they're trying to get us to see

1841
01:18:13,350 --> 01:18:11,199
is that we are more powerful than we

1842
01:18:16,229 --> 01:18:13,360
think we are but we're going to destroy

1843
01:18:19,270 --> 01:18:16,239
ourselves and this planet if we don't

1844
01:18:24,229 --> 01:18:21,669
and even ray charles can see that i mean

1845
01:18:31,030 --> 01:18:24,239
uh this is this is what's going on but

1846
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:36,550
there are the people that

1847
01:18:41,750 --> 01:18:39,350
are concerned that extraterrestrials

1848
01:18:43,590 --> 01:18:41,760
would just come in and want to take over

1849
01:18:45,910 --> 01:18:43,600
or be violent

1850
01:18:49,430 --> 01:18:47,750
one that's not the message that you're

1851
01:18:51,189 --> 01:18:49,440
getting

1852
01:18:53,910 --> 01:18:51,199
do you think that there are races

1853
01:18:57,430 --> 01:18:53,920
extraterrestrial races out there that

1854
01:18:59,110 --> 01:18:57,440
are violent and could pose a threat to

1855
01:19:00,870 --> 01:18:59,120
humanity

1856
01:19:01,750 --> 01:19:00,880
i do think

1857
01:19:03,669 --> 01:19:01,760
that

1858
01:19:05,189 --> 01:19:03,679
just like human beings

1859
01:19:07,189 --> 01:19:05,199
are

1860
01:19:09,189 --> 01:19:07,199
more benevolent or benevolent i think

1861
01:19:11,350 --> 01:19:09,199
that there are other life forms that are

1862
01:19:14,070 --> 01:19:11,360
the same way so in that way a lot of

1863
01:19:16,470 --> 01:19:14,080
them are no different from us

1864
01:19:19,189 --> 01:19:16,480
but i do feel

1865
01:19:21,510 --> 01:19:19,199
that with all the technology if they

1866
01:19:26,550 --> 01:19:21,520
wanted to take over

1867
01:19:30,310 --> 01:19:28,550
i'm not worried about them taking over

1868
01:19:32,390 --> 01:19:30,320
i'm worried about these psychotic people

1869
01:19:36,310 --> 01:19:32,400
in congress and in my government that's

1870
01:19:39,669 --> 01:19:38,070
i'm not worried about them i can get

1871
01:19:41,189 --> 01:19:39,679
along with them

1872
01:19:43,350 --> 01:19:41,199
i'm worried about people who just want

1873
01:19:45,830 --> 01:19:43,360
to send you over to fight these wars and

1874
01:19:48,790 --> 01:19:45,840
then when you come back if you come back

1875
01:19:51,590 --> 01:19:48,800
you can't get health care

1876
01:19:53,430 --> 01:19:51,600
i'm worried about 80 of the people i'm

1877
01:19:55,910 --> 01:19:53,440
worried about 80 people owning half the

1878
01:19:56,870 --> 01:19:55,920
world's wealth that's my concern

1879
01:20:02,070 --> 01:19:56,880
i'm not worried about any

1880
01:20:05,510 --> 01:20:03,669
well i don't get the impression that

1881
01:20:07,189 --> 01:20:05,520
they really want to interact with us

1882
01:20:10,470 --> 01:20:07,199
anyway

1883
01:20:12,229 --> 01:20:10,480
not on that kind of a level

1884
01:20:14,229 --> 01:20:12,239
well it's interesting that they haven't

1885
01:20:16,390 --> 01:20:14,239
gone too many world leaders they go to

1886
01:20:17,510 --> 01:20:16,400
individuals

1887
01:20:21,110 --> 01:20:17,520
you know

1888
01:20:22,870 --> 01:20:21,120
and say i had this experience and this

1889
01:20:25,510 --> 01:20:22,880
is what i was told or i had this

1890
01:20:28,070 --> 01:20:25,520
experience they're not going to obama

1891
01:20:29,750 --> 01:20:28,080
and they're not going to you know merkel

1892
01:20:32,149 --> 01:20:29,760
over in germany they don't they're not

1893
01:20:34,229 --> 01:20:32,159
going there probably because you know

1894
01:20:35,590 --> 01:20:34,239
when people have power it's hard to

1895
01:20:37,750 --> 01:20:35,600
relinquish it

1896
01:20:42,390 --> 01:20:37,760
and what we're talking about is a new

1897
01:20:46,470 --> 01:20:44,390
but i think also

1898
01:20:49,830 --> 01:20:46,480
you know if you're um

1899
01:20:52,630 --> 01:20:49,840
talking about these different

1900
01:20:54,950 --> 01:20:52,640
going and talking to a world leader

1901
01:20:56,630 --> 01:20:54,960
why would you want to

1902
01:20:58,550 --> 01:20:56,640
they they're the ones that are setting

1903
01:21:01,189 --> 01:20:58,560
up all of the

1904
01:21:03,110 --> 01:21:01,199
mayhem in the first place so i i could

1905
01:21:06,390 --> 01:21:03,120
understand why they wouldn't want to go

1906
01:21:09,350 --> 01:21:06,400
there yeah i i've always wondered you

1907
01:21:11,110 --> 01:21:09,360
know if uh if a ufo landed on the white

1908
01:21:13,110 --> 01:21:11,120
house lawn and they wanted to send a

1909
01:21:14,950 --> 01:21:13,120
delegation

1910
01:21:17,350 --> 01:21:14,960
to go and

1911
01:21:19,189 --> 01:21:17,360
meet with the extraterrestrial

1912
01:21:21,189 --> 01:21:19,199
who would they send you know so of

1913
01:21:22,630 --> 01:21:21,199
course obama whoever was the president

1914
01:21:24,070 --> 01:21:22,640
of the united states would obviously

1915
01:21:25,270 --> 01:21:24,080
have to be there and probably the head

1916
01:21:27,350 --> 01:21:25,280
of russia

1917
01:21:32,149 --> 01:21:27,360
and they would have to send the military

1918
01:21:33,790 --> 01:21:32,159
in to surround it and and do this very

1919
01:21:36,310 --> 01:21:33,800
aggressive

1920
01:21:38,790 --> 01:21:36,320
fear-based approach

1921
01:21:40,310 --> 01:21:38,800
and my thought is well if i had to pick

1922
01:21:42,950 --> 01:21:40,320
somebody i'd be like

1923
01:21:44,709 --> 01:21:42,960
send the dalai lama

1924
01:21:47,990 --> 01:21:44,719
you know send somebody that has

1925
01:21:49,750 --> 01:21:48,000
compassion yeah yeah yeah definitely

1926
01:21:51,990 --> 01:21:49,760
definitely and you know it's just like

1927
01:21:54,229 --> 01:21:52,000
looking at the day the earth stood still

1928
01:21:59,110 --> 01:21:54,239
we saw what happened the guy gets shot

1929
01:22:03,990 --> 01:22:01,270
unbelievable

1930
01:22:05,830 --> 01:22:04,000
but but um

1931
01:22:08,550 --> 01:22:05,840
you know

1932
01:22:10,229 --> 01:22:08,560
it's it's a new world coming it really

1933
01:22:12,550 --> 01:22:10,239
is and that and i think we're going to

1934
01:22:13,510 --> 01:22:12,560
go through some rough times too

1935
01:22:15,510 --> 01:22:13,520
but

1936
01:22:17,830 --> 01:22:15,520
you know paradigms are shifting and

1937
01:22:20,149 --> 01:22:17,840
changing and so there is a change in

1938
01:22:21,910 --> 01:22:20,159
consciousness that's why you hear many

1939
01:22:23,110 --> 01:22:21,920
people say too

1940
01:22:25,189 --> 01:22:23,120
they say

1941
01:22:26,709 --> 01:22:25,199
you know i'm more spiritual than

1942
01:22:29,510 --> 01:22:26,719
religious

1943
01:22:31,990 --> 01:22:29,520
it's a hackney phrase now but people are

1944
01:22:34,709 --> 01:22:32,000
shifting they may not even know how to

1945
01:22:37,430 --> 01:22:34,719
be eloquent enough and i'm sure don't to

1946
01:22:38,390 --> 01:22:37,440
articulate it but they're saying

1947
01:22:40,470 --> 01:22:38,400
religion

1948
01:22:42,950 --> 01:22:40,480
as i've been taught it's too narrow for

1949
01:22:45,350 --> 01:22:42,960
me i need to open up the box a little

1950
01:22:48,550 --> 01:22:45,360
more i need to think outside the box

1951
01:22:53,590 --> 01:22:48,560
that's a paradigm shift

1952
01:22:55,990 --> 01:22:53,600
priest telling me um whether i can use

1953
01:22:58,470 --> 01:22:56,000
birth control or whether i shouldn't i

1954
01:23:01,350 --> 01:22:58,480
don't need someone to tell me when i can

1955
01:23:03,270 --> 01:23:01,360
make love or or who i can date or or i

1956
01:23:05,510 --> 01:23:03,280
can only eat fish on fridays i don't

1957
01:23:08,070 --> 01:23:05,520
need that anymore there's more to it

1958
01:23:09,669 --> 01:23:08,080
than that and you have people uh who are

1959
01:23:12,149 --> 01:23:09,679
making that shift

1960
01:23:13,750 --> 01:23:12,159
and sometimes it's uncomfortable

1961
01:23:15,830 --> 01:23:13,760
but they're saying this is not the way i

1962
01:23:17,669 --> 01:23:15,840
want to live my life anymore

1963
01:23:20,550 --> 01:23:17,679
don't want to live my life that way i

1964
01:23:22,390 --> 01:23:20,560
want a richer fuller more authentic more

1965
01:23:24,470 --> 01:23:22,400
resplendent life

1966
01:23:25,350 --> 01:23:24,480
and this concept of god is too small for

1967
01:23:29,189 --> 01:23:25,360
me

1968
01:23:35,430 --> 01:23:31,669
well and i feel like that's happening to

1969
01:23:41,830 --> 01:23:35,440
more and more people where they find

1970
01:23:47,830 --> 01:23:44,229
they find the edges of the box

1971
01:23:50,709 --> 01:23:47,840
and they realize that there is a box

1972
01:23:53,590 --> 01:23:50,719
and they start to wonder what's outside

1973
01:23:55,030 --> 01:23:53,600
the box yes and once they're outside the

1974
01:23:56,709 --> 01:23:55,040
box they're like

1975
01:24:01,110 --> 01:23:56,719
holy crap

1976
01:24:03,830 --> 01:24:01,120
there's a whole other world out yes yes

1977
01:24:06,790 --> 01:24:03,840
it's like you're being free

1978
01:24:08,070 --> 01:24:06,800
and being free scares people

1979
01:24:09,910 --> 01:24:08,080
you know

1980
01:24:11,750 --> 01:24:09,920
um

1981
01:24:12,870 --> 01:24:11,760
and it scares other people when you get

1982
01:24:15,750 --> 01:24:12,880
free

1983
01:24:18,070 --> 01:24:15,760
because it makes them have to change and

1984
01:24:23,110 --> 01:24:18,080
we all know that the hardest thing for

1985
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:25,750
exactly

1986
01:24:28,790 --> 01:24:27,430
and it makes you come out of the ego

1987
01:24:30,950 --> 01:24:28,800
like you said

1988
01:24:34,229 --> 01:24:30,960
you know when you come out of that ego

1989
01:24:41,990 --> 01:24:34,239
it's you you're free

1990
01:24:47,110 --> 01:24:45,350
if we get like yeah

1991
01:24:50,149 --> 01:24:47,120
well and i feel like most people when

1992
01:24:53,110 --> 01:24:50,159
they find themselves in that situation

1993
01:24:54,229 --> 01:24:53,120
have just a huge growth period and they

1994
01:24:58,310 --> 01:24:54,239
become

1995
01:25:00,709 --> 01:24:58,320
an information magnet

1996
01:25:03,430 --> 01:25:00,719
and uh yeah you know they just can't

1997
01:25:05,350 --> 01:25:03,440
they just can't get enough uh you know

1998
01:25:06,629 --> 01:25:05,360
they they say you know when you when

1999
01:25:08,149 --> 01:25:06,639
you're working

2000
01:25:10,390 --> 01:25:08,159
you could uh

2001
01:25:11,990 --> 01:25:10,400
have the same job for six you know to

2002
01:25:14,310 --> 01:25:12,000
have the same job and learn the same

2003
01:25:16,870 --> 01:25:14,320
thing for 16 years or you can have 16

2004
01:25:19,350 --> 01:25:16,880
jobs and learn 16 different things

2005
01:25:21,430 --> 01:25:19,360
and i feel like it's the same kind of

2006
01:25:23,350 --> 01:25:21,440
thing you know you can read the bible 16

2007
01:25:25,590 --> 01:25:23,360
times you can read 16 different books

2008
01:25:27,189 --> 01:25:25,600
and get 16 different perspectives

2009
01:25:28,470 --> 01:25:27,199
yeah it's like being like you like

2010
01:25:31,830 --> 01:25:28,480
you're a therapist it's like being a

2011
01:25:33,669 --> 01:25:31,840
therapist so you know you can all the

2012
01:25:35,830 --> 01:25:33,679
more the more tools you have in your

2013
01:25:37,590 --> 01:25:35,840
toolbox the more effective you're going

2014
01:25:38,709 --> 01:25:37,600
to be right you can you might you know

2015
01:25:41,189 --> 01:25:38,719
you know you've got a little bit of

2016
01:25:44,629 --> 01:25:41,199
fraud you may have a little bit of yum

2017
01:25:46,950 --> 01:25:44,639
you may have a gestalt i mean it it you

2018
01:25:48,550 --> 01:25:46,960
you you cannot you you're prepared you

2019
01:25:54,550 --> 01:25:48,560
can pull out the pair you can meet

2020
01:25:59,350 --> 01:25:57,750
okay i want to switch gears here a

2021
01:26:00,629 --> 01:25:59,360
little bit

2022
01:26:03,189 --> 01:26:00,639
and

2023
01:26:08,709 --> 01:26:05,990
kind of talk about some other texts

2024
01:26:11,510 --> 01:26:08,719
because we've been really focusing on

2025
01:26:13,110 --> 01:26:11,520
you know what we know of as the bible

2026
01:26:16,470 --> 01:26:13,120
but there are other texts there's some

2027
01:26:19,030 --> 01:26:16,480
of the apocrypha that comes to us do you

2028
01:26:21,590 --> 01:26:19,040
find the same kind of

2029
01:26:24,390 --> 01:26:21,600
uh stories and narratives that come out

2030
01:26:27,030 --> 01:26:24,400
of those kinds of texts yeah looking at

2031
01:26:29,590 --> 01:26:27,040
uh i have here the apocryphal old

2032
01:26:32,790 --> 01:26:29,600
testament it's etiquette it's edited by

2033
01:26:35,669 --> 01:26:32,800
a guy named h as in harry f as in frank

2034
01:26:37,110 --> 01:26:35,679
diaz and david sparks and it talks about

2035
01:26:39,430 --> 01:26:37,120
the watchers

2036
01:26:41,590 --> 01:26:39,440
and it goes and it's uh there's a book

2037
01:26:43,910 --> 01:26:41,600
called the book of jubilees you probably

2038
01:26:46,709 --> 01:26:43,920
don't know about this reader yeah

2039
01:26:49,189 --> 01:26:46,719
yeah but it goes into great detail

2040
01:26:51,910 --> 01:26:49,199
not only about adam and eve but these

2041
01:26:53,910 --> 01:26:51,920
beings who have to be extraterrestrial

2042
01:26:55,510 --> 01:26:53,920
and they're called the watchers but it

2043
01:26:58,149 --> 01:26:55,520
is an apocryphal book you're not going

2044
01:27:01,270 --> 01:26:58,159
to find it in the old testament

2045
01:27:03,110 --> 01:27:01,280
uh uh it didn't make it into the canon

2046
01:27:05,750 --> 01:27:03,120
as it were there's a book called the

2047
01:27:08,229 --> 01:27:05,760
testament of abraham of course the first

2048
01:27:10,629 --> 01:27:08,239
and second book of enoch is in this

2049
01:27:13,110 --> 01:27:10,639
apocryphal book so yeah

2050
01:27:15,830 --> 01:27:13,120
uh there's some dead sea scrolls

2051
01:27:17,510 --> 01:27:15,840
that uh tell stories um

2052
01:27:19,350 --> 01:27:17,520
and you can interpret some of these

2053
01:27:26,470 --> 01:27:19,360
stories these angels as

2054
01:27:31,030 --> 01:27:28,390
when people read them when people read

2055
01:27:33,830 --> 01:27:31,040
them i mean what do they

2056
01:27:36,149 --> 01:27:33,840
think do they think that you know coming

2057
01:27:38,550 --> 01:27:36,159
from a more traditional

2058
01:27:40,870 --> 01:27:38,560
background or did they just not read

2059
01:27:44,070 --> 01:27:40,880
them like the book of enoch i'm very

2060
01:27:46,470 --> 01:27:44,080
familiar with that text um

2061
01:27:48,870 --> 01:27:46,480
you know he goes with the angels and

2062
01:27:51,830 --> 01:27:48,880
they teach him about the movement of the

2063
01:27:52,790 --> 01:27:51,840
stars and all of this stuff

2064
01:27:56,149 --> 01:27:52,800
i mean

2065
01:27:57,430 --> 01:27:56,159
it's kind of hard to get around the

2066
01:27:58,709 --> 01:27:57,440
point

2067
01:28:01,189 --> 01:27:58,719
that um

2068
01:28:04,229 --> 01:28:01,199
there was something more going on than

2069
01:28:06,390 --> 01:28:04,239
him just having a dream

2070
01:28:08,229 --> 01:28:06,400
yes but he's wide awake in some of these

2071
01:28:09,669 --> 01:28:08,239
stories but you're right but remember

2072
01:28:12,550 --> 01:28:09,679
now

2073
01:28:15,590 --> 01:28:12,560
listen you said it and we if you if you

2074
01:28:17,430 --> 01:28:15,600
grew up in the united states of america

2075
01:28:20,149 --> 01:28:17,440
i don't care whether you were jewish or

2076
01:28:21,910 --> 01:28:20,159
christian or didn't know and didn't care

2077
01:28:23,910 --> 01:28:21,920
you were given

2078
01:28:26,070 --> 01:28:23,920
by well-meaning people

2079
01:28:28,390 --> 01:28:26,080
a

2080
01:28:30,070 --> 01:28:28,400
bill of goods

2081
01:28:32,550 --> 01:28:30,080
and

2082
01:28:34,149 --> 01:28:32,560
if you couldn't question it

2083
01:28:36,149 --> 01:28:34,159
so you had two things to do you can

2084
01:28:38,470 --> 01:28:36,159
either accept it

2085
01:28:40,229 --> 01:28:38,480
or you can say i really don't believe

2086
01:28:42,629 --> 01:28:40,239
this you know what but i don't know who

2087
01:28:43,430 --> 01:28:42,639
to talk to about it so

2088
01:28:46,229 --> 01:28:43,440
and

2089
01:28:49,750 --> 01:28:46,239
in some in some cases some people just

2090
01:28:52,229 --> 01:28:49,760
left religion all together

2091
01:28:54,790 --> 01:28:52,239
and so as an adult

2092
01:28:56,390 --> 01:28:54,800
we start to revisit i'll give an example

2093
01:28:58,629 --> 01:28:56,400
i just read from i told you about the

2094
01:28:59,990 --> 01:28:58,639
apocryphal old testament the only reason

2095
01:29:02,310 --> 01:29:00,000
i bought that

2096
01:29:03,189 --> 01:29:02,320
is because i heard other people talking

2097
01:29:04,950 --> 01:29:03,199
about

2098
01:29:07,669 --> 01:29:04,960
if you really want to extend your

2099
01:29:09,510 --> 01:29:07,679
knowledge here's some other books that

2100
01:29:11,669 --> 01:29:09,520
talk about what could be

2101
01:29:13,750 --> 01:29:11,679
extraterrestrial life so that means

2102
01:29:16,149 --> 01:29:13,760
there were people at the time who had

2103
01:29:17,590 --> 01:29:16,159
the same mindset i did

2104
01:29:21,030 --> 01:29:17,600
but the other thing is this though

2105
01:29:23,669 --> 01:29:21,040
reader apocryphal books because it was

2106
01:29:25,350 --> 01:29:23,679
not put in you know in the canon a lot

2107
01:29:26,950 --> 01:29:25,360
of people didn't even know these books

2108
01:29:29,030 --> 01:29:26,960
existed

2109
01:29:30,550 --> 01:29:29,040
who you know if you go up to someone on

2110
01:29:31,910 --> 01:29:30,560
the street have you ever read the do you

2111
01:29:33,510 --> 01:29:31,920
are you religious yet do you read your

2112
01:29:36,950 --> 01:29:33,520
bible yeah ever heard of the book of

2113
01:29:41,270 --> 01:29:39,110
but at one point in time they were

2114
01:29:42,070 --> 01:29:41,280
extremely popular

2115
01:29:48,709 --> 01:29:42,080
yes

2116
01:29:53,110 --> 01:29:51,350
you know say you don't need that book

2117
01:29:55,189 --> 01:29:53,120
you know you know you know for political

2118
01:29:57,830 --> 01:29:55,199
reasons for religious reasons you don't

2119
01:29:59,910 --> 01:29:57,840
need that book

2120
01:30:03,510 --> 01:29:59,920
so so you know it's it's again it's the

2121
01:30:06,070 --> 01:30:03,520
unlearning nothing uh nothing is hidden

2122
01:30:07,990 --> 01:30:06,080
that's that will be revealed eventually

2123
01:30:09,750 --> 01:30:08,000
and so you have people

2124
01:30:11,590 --> 01:30:09,760
reading i mean come on

2125
01:30:13,590 --> 01:30:11,600
ancient alien show they're talking about

2126
01:30:15,430 --> 01:30:13,600
the book of enoch

2127
01:30:17,270 --> 01:30:15,440
they're talking about and i'm not saying

2128
01:30:20,470 --> 01:30:17,280
that everything on there is

2129
01:30:23,270 --> 01:30:20,480
is true but it's getting people to think

2130
01:30:24,310 --> 01:30:23,280
it's getting people to think outside the

2131
01:30:29,030 --> 01:30:24,320
box

2132
01:30:35,350 --> 01:30:31,750
but what's dangerous about it

2133
01:30:37,270 --> 01:30:35,360
because a thinking society

2134
01:30:39,270 --> 01:30:37,280
is a dangerous society and i don't mean

2135
01:30:41,510 --> 01:30:39,280
that and i'm not saying that to say you

2136
01:30:44,870 --> 01:30:41,520
don't want to be a thinker but when

2137
01:30:47,430 --> 01:30:44,880
stalin and mao say dong when when when

2138
01:30:48,629 --> 01:30:47,440
political revolutions occur there's a

2139
01:30:51,189 --> 01:30:48,639
reason why they get rid of the

2140
01:30:53,510 --> 01:30:51,199
intellectuals

2141
01:30:55,669 --> 01:30:53,520
because a populist that is thinking and

2142
01:30:57,990 --> 01:30:55,679
really and willing to ask questions is

2143
01:31:00,870 --> 01:30:58,000
more difficult to govern

2144
01:31:02,310 --> 01:31:00,880
we want people to be like sheep so we'll

2145
01:31:04,790 --> 01:31:02,320
you know we'll have there watch the

2146
01:31:06,790 --> 01:31:04,800
super bowl and i love the super bowl but

2147
01:31:09,189 --> 01:31:06,800
we'll entertain them to death

2148
01:31:12,390 --> 01:31:09,199
we'll have reality tv

2149
01:31:13,910 --> 01:31:12,400
we'll have all these distractions

2150
01:31:16,310 --> 01:31:13,920
and we'll dub it down we'll make it

2151
01:31:19,510 --> 01:31:16,320
harder for them to be educated they

2152
01:31:21,189 --> 01:31:19,520
can't afford to get educated

2153
01:31:26,310 --> 01:31:21,199
but that all plays into the hand of

2154
01:31:33,030 --> 01:31:30,229
one it does seem like

2155
01:31:34,149 --> 01:31:33,040
the education system is getting worse

2156
01:31:36,550 --> 01:31:34,159
and worse

2157
01:31:38,070 --> 01:31:36,560
the amount of distractions just becomes

2158
01:31:40,550 --> 01:31:38,080
more and more

2159
01:31:42,709 --> 01:31:40,560
um i mean you look at kids these days

2160
01:31:44,870 --> 01:31:42,719
and they constantly have their phone in

2161
01:31:47,910 --> 01:31:44,880
their face texting somebody or

2162
01:31:49,669 --> 01:31:47,920
facebooking somebody and it's like can't

2163
01:31:52,149 --> 01:31:49,679
you just put that down

2164
01:31:54,550 --> 01:31:52,159
yeah yeah yeah and so and so it's the

2165
01:31:56,390 --> 01:31:54,560
parents jobs not unless they have to put

2166
01:31:57,590 --> 01:31:56,400
their phone down first

2167
01:31:59,910 --> 01:31:57,600
to uh

2168
01:32:02,629 --> 01:31:59,920
to say wait a minute now come on

2169
01:32:05,110 --> 01:32:02,639
uh let's let's let and this is the thing

2170
01:32:07,910 --> 01:32:05,120
we have to have the spirituality to deal

2171
01:32:09,990 --> 01:32:07,920
with the technology not just on a macro

2172
01:32:12,870 --> 01:32:10,000
level if you're part of the military

2173
01:32:14,070 --> 01:32:12,880
industrial uh prison entertainment

2174
01:32:14,950 --> 01:32:14,080
complex

2175
01:32:17,430 --> 01:32:14,960
but

2176
01:32:19,510 --> 01:32:17,440
even on a micro level the way we

2177
01:32:21,669 --> 01:32:19,520
interact with each other you know you go

2178
01:32:23,430 --> 01:32:21,679
to a restaurant and there's a couple and

2179
01:32:28,470 --> 01:32:23,440
uh rather than talk to each other

2180
01:32:33,750 --> 01:32:30,629
why would you want to do that yeah see i

2181
01:32:34,950 --> 01:32:33,760
don't i don't even understand that

2182
01:32:36,390 --> 01:32:34,960
at all

2183
01:32:38,709 --> 01:32:36,400
yeah

2184
01:32:41,270 --> 01:32:38,719
and it just seems like it's changing so

2185
01:32:43,189 --> 01:32:41,280
much since

2186
01:32:47,750 --> 01:32:43,199
you know when you were when when you and

2187
01:32:50,709 --> 01:32:47,760
i were kids i remember growing up

2188
01:32:51,990 --> 01:32:50,719
you know it makes me go i wish every you

2189
01:32:54,149 --> 01:32:52,000
know

2190
01:32:56,550 --> 01:32:54,159
20 something and younger were listening

2191
01:32:58,950 --> 01:32:56,560
to the show i remember growing up we

2192
01:33:01,510 --> 01:32:58,960
were allowed to watch no lie

2193
01:33:02,550 --> 01:33:01,520
one hour of television a night

2194
01:33:05,750 --> 01:33:02,560
one

2195
01:33:09,110 --> 01:33:05,760
we had no computer no computer games no

2196
01:33:11,350 --> 01:33:09,120
iphones no ipads nothing like that we

2197
01:33:13,350 --> 01:33:11,360
got one hour yeah and then we had to

2198
01:33:16,310 --> 01:33:13,360
like go out and play we had to read a

2199
01:33:19,030 --> 01:33:16,320
book we had to do something

2200
01:33:20,830 --> 01:33:19,040
not in front of the tv set yeah

2201
01:33:25,750 --> 01:33:20,840
yeah

2202
01:33:27,830 --> 01:33:25,760
much i guess that tv or technology is

2203
01:33:29,910 --> 01:33:27,840
bad i sure don't want to technology's

2204
01:33:31,669 --> 01:33:29,920
helping you and i communicate tonight

2205
01:33:33,189 --> 01:33:31,679
but you don't want it to take over your

2206
01:33:35,990 --> 01:33:33,199
life

2207
01:33:38,470 --> 01:33:36,000
and i i i remember when i had a pager

2208
01:33:40,310 --> 01:33:38,480
okay when i was working at the hospital

2209
01:33:43,350 --> 01:33:40,320
as a chaplain

2210
01:33:45,590 --> 01:33:43,360
and there were times i was so glad i

2211
01:33:47,910 --> 01:33:45,600
didn't have that pager there had to be

2212
01:33:50,709 --> 01:33:47,920
some time when i had some time for me

2213
01:33:53,030 --> 01:33:50,719
there had to be some time where no one

2214
01:33:56,390 --> 01:33:53,040
could get in touch with me

2215
01:33:59,430 --> 01:33:56,400
that was crucial for me

2216
01:34:03,590 --> 01:34:01,830
people think i'm weird because i mean i

2217
01:34:05,189 --> 01:34:03,600
have a cell phone

2218
01:34:07,669 --> 01:34:05,199
but

2219
01:34:09,750 --> 01:34:07,679
the only time i have it on me is if i'm

2220
01:34:11,510 --> 01:34:09,760
leaving the house and that's if i

2221
01:34:12,870 --> 01:34:11,520
remember to grab it

2222
01:34:14,709 --> 01:34:12,880
and uh

2223
01:34:16,310 --> 01:34:14,719
yeah and they'll like send me a text and

2224
01:34:18,950 --> 01:34:16,320
it might be two or three days before i

2225
01:34:20,310 --> 01:34:18,960
respond or call me on my cell and

2226
01:34:21,750 --> 01:34:20,320
they're like well you didn't answer your

2227
01:34:23,430 --> 01:34:21,760
phone it's like well that's because you

2228
01:34:24,950 --> 01:34:23,440
called my cell

2229
01:34:26,629 --> 01:34:24,960
yeah

2230
01:34:28,870 --> 01:34:26,639
that's why i don't give out that number

2231
01:34:29,750 --> 01:34:28,880
because i don't answer it

2232
01:34:33,189 --> 01:34:29,760
yeah

2233
01:34:35,189 --> 01:34:33,199
no i i wrestle with you know

2234
01:34:37,350 --> 01:34:35,199
social media and

2235
01:34:39,189 --> 01:34:37,360
that kind of thing i used to be addicted

2236
01:34:41,430 --> 01:34:39,199
to facebook

2237
01:34:43,430 --> 01:34:41,440
and uh now i just kind of pulled off i

2238
01:34:44,629 --> 01:34:43,440
mean i when you put the show up and

2239
01:34:47,030 --> 01:34:44,639
stuff like that stuff that's going to

2240
01:34:49,110 --> 01:34:47,040
promote me you know in my book of course

2241
01:34:50,070 --> 01:34:49,120
it's a great way to use it but i just

2242
01:34:51,830 --> 01:34:50,080
had to

2243
01:34:54,470 --> 01:34:51,840
you know it took up too much time half

2244
01:34:56,149 --> 01:34:54,480
the stuff on there i didn't care about i

2245
01:34:58,550 --> 01:34:56,159
saw people arguing with people they

2246
01:35:00,149 --> 01:34:58,560
didn't know

2247
01:35:02,470 --> 01:35:00,159
and i guess it's a way for people to

2248
01:35:04,709 --> 01:35:02,480
reach out and try to have community but

2249
01:35:07,189 --> 01:35:04,719
i'm always of the mind that even if i

2250
01:35:09,110 --> 01:35:07,199
have a friend on facebook you're not my

2251
01:35:10,310 --> 01:35:09,120
friend i don't know you we just

2252
01:35:11,750 --> 01:35:10,320
communicate

2253
01:35:16,310 --> 01:35:11,760
uh but a lot of people don't know the

2254
01:35:20,470 --> 01:35:18,310
yeah i could pick up a book during that

2255
01:35:21,990 --> 01:35:20,480
time

2256
01:35:25,750 --> 01:35:22,000
or i could talk to my wife what a

2257
01:35:28,470 --> 01:35:25,760
concept or my daughter get out

2258
01:35:30,390 --> 01:35:28,480
you like talk to people

2259
01:35:35,669 --> 01:35:30,400
it's hard to believe isn't it sometimes

2260
01:35:41,430 --> 01:35:37,910
going back to what we were talking about

2261
01:35:45,270 --> 01:35:41,440
before we got off on this tangent yeah

2262
01:35:48,149 --> 01:35:45,280
the evils of technology yeah

2263
01:35:51,350 --> 01:35:48,159
that's because it's the evil god that's

2264
01:35:52,709 --> 01:35:51,360
doing it okay evil technology god watch

2265
01:35:54,229 --> 01:35:52,719
that's right

2266
01:35:55,590 --> 01:35:54,239
um

2267
01:35:58,149 --> 01:35:55,600
you know we were talking about the

2268
01:36:00,709 --> 01:35:58,159
apocrypha but what about like gnostic

2269
01:36:03,110 --> 01:36:00,719
text you know bringing it into more

2270
01:36:04,470 --> 01:36:03,120
into more contemporary time and you know

2271
01:36:06,870 --> 01:36:04,480
we haven't really talked about like

2272
01:36:09,510 --> 01:36:06,880
jesus's whole thing and

2273
01:36:11,350 --> 01:36:09,520
you know was jesus an extraterrestrial

2274
01:36:13,270 --> 01:36:11,360
you know there are those that say that

2275
01:36:15,750 --> 01:36:13,280
or do you think that he was in

2276
01:36:18,790 --> 01:36:15,760
communication and maybe channeling

2277
01:36:21,750 --> 01:36:18,800
extraterrestrial information yeah wow

2278
01:36:23,430 --> 01:36:21,760
well let's start with gnosticism uh i

2279
01:36:25,750 --> 01:36:23,440
love gnosticism there's a whole chapter

2280
01:36:27,510 --> 01:36:25,760
in the book on it uh but you can see

2281
01:36:28,950 --> 01:36:27,520
what happened like the cathars and

2282
01:36:31,350 --> 01:36:28,960
france and what have you they were

2283
01:36:34,229 --> 01:36:31,360
persecuted and almost wiped out because

2284
01:36:36,870 --> 01:36:34,239
gnosticism is about knowing yourself you

2285
01:36:37,590 --> 01:36:36,880
don't need an intermediary between you

2286
01:36:40,790 --> 01:36:37,600
and

2287
01:36:42,550 --> 01:36:40,800
god or non-god or whatever you you

2288
01:36:45,189 --> 01:36:42,560
it's it's all about you not in a

2289
01:36:47,350 --> 01:36:45,199
narcissistic sense but you can the

2290
01:36:49,510 --> 01:36:47,360
answers are within you can see where

2291
01:36:52,070 --> 01:36:49,520
that would be very threatening to church

2292
01:36:53,830 --> 01:36:52,080
leaders because basically you're saying

2293
01:36:57,189 --> 01:36:53,840
well you don't need me

2294
01:36:59,830 --> 01:36:57,199
uh so gnosticism is just another fancy

2295
01:37:01,830 --> 01:36:59,840
way of saying uh know yourself which i

2296
01:37:04,229 --> 01:37:01,840
love and i think more of us

2297
01:37:05,430 --> 01:37:04,239
need to be able to be supported in doing

2298
01:37:07,350 --> 01:37:05,440
that

2299
01:37:09,270 --> 01:37:07,360
uh because it's nothing new age i mean

2300
01:37:13,189 --> 01:37:09,280
this is old wisdom that we're just

2301
01:37:14,550 --> 01:37:13,199
rediscovering so i i'm agnostic and

2302
01:37:15,350 --> 01:37:14,560
and i love that

2303
01:37:18,149 --> 01:37:15,360
uh

2304
01:37:20,950 --> 01:37:18,159
getting to jesus

2305
01:37:23,510 --> 01:37:20,960
i feel from my studies and what that

2306
01:37:24,870 --> 01:37:23,520
there's a possibility that jesus was a

2307
01:37:27,990 --> 01:37:24,880
hybrid

2308
01:37:29,990 --> 01:37:28,000
uh you know if he says my kingdom is not

2309
01:37:32,070 --> 01:37:30,000
of this world and if your mother is

2310
01:37:33,669 --> 01:37:32,080
human and your father isn't that means

2311
01:37:35,189 --> 01:37:33,679
you're not really human

2312
01:37:36,950 --> 01:37:35,199
it certainly would

2313
01:37:39,510 --> 01:37:36,960
make uh

2314
01:37:40,870 --> 01:37:39,520
make a lot of sense the miracles walking

2315
01:37:43,109 --> 01:37:40,880
on water

2316
01:37:46,310 --> 01:37:43,119
changing water and wine the healings it

2317
01:37:47,270 --> 01:37:46,320
certainly would make more sense

2318
01:37:50,870 --> 01:37:47,280
now

2319
01:37:53,109 --> 01:37:50,880
what are you talking about

2320
01:37:55,189 --> 01:37:53,119
then i would have to say that he had

2321
01:37:56,790 --> 01:37:55,199
friends in high places i'm sure he had

2322
01:37:59,510 --> 01:37:56,800
interactions

2323
01:38:02,629 --> 01:37:59,520
with off-world intelligences and there

2324
01:38:04,790 --> 01:38:02,639
in their verses in the bible uh now if

2325
01:38:06,550 --> 01:38:04,800
people buy the book they will find them

2326
01:38:08,950 --> 01:38:06,560
in both books but they're verses there i

2327
01:38:12,629 --> 01:38:08,960
mean the whole story and would that be

2328
01:38:15,109 --> 01:38:12,639
a new world if you can take it

2329
01:38:16,790 --> 01:38:15,119
i think the new world

2330
01:38:18,310 --> 01:38:16,800
if you can take it

2331
01:38:21,350 --> 01:38:18,320
is this

2332
01:38:24,229 --> 01:38:21,360
that it's almost like arthur c clarke's

2333
01:38:27,430 --> 01:38:24,239
book childhood and childhood's end

2334
01:38:30,790 --> 01:38:28,470
that

2335
01:38:35,590 --> 01:38:30,800
we are part of

2336
01:38:39,030 --> 01:38:35,600
a universe that is teeming with life

2337
01:38:41,189 --> 01:38:39,040
that the possibilities are endless

2338
01:38:43,030 --> 01:38:41,199
and the only thing that keeps us from

2339
01:38:45,030 --> 01:38:43,040
achieving it

2340
01:38:46,950 --> 01:38:45,040
is because we don't believe it

2341
01:38:48,550 --> 01:38:46,960
that's the only thing

2342
01:38:50,229 --> 01:38:48,560
that the ego

2343
01:38:51,830 --> 01:38:50,239
and our fears

2344
01:38:54,709 --> 01:38:51,840
are keeping us

2345
01:38:57,430 --> 01:38:54,719
from taking the next step in evolution

2346
01:38:59,590 --> 01:38:57,440
and we have the choice

2347
01:39:01,750 --> 01:38:59,600
do we choose love

2348
01:39:03,750 --> 01:39:01,760
or do we choose fear

2349
01:39:09,669 --> 01:39:03,760
we have that choice every day

2350
01:39:17,109 --> 01:39:12,790
the choice is ours

2351
01:39:21,830 --> 01:39:19,430
make we we don't make a conscious choice

2352
01:39:26,149 --> 01:39:21,840
i think we make a choice but i don't

2353
01:39:28,310 --> 01:39:26,159
think we make a conscious choice

2354
01:39:30,310 --> 01:39:28,320
you know we just kind of go with

2355
01:39:32,149 --> 01:39:30,320
whatever well i think we make a choice

2356
01:39:33,750 --> 01:39:32,159
from the limited information that we've

2357
01:39:34,950 --> 01:39:33,760
had

2358
01:39:38,070 --> 01:39:34,960
um

2359
01:39:39,669 --> 01:39:38,080
but again i see that i see that changing

2360
01:39:42,310 --> 01:39:39,679
and um

2361
01:39:44,709 --> 01:39:42,320
i i have the audacity to hope i still

2362
01:39:46,470 --> 01:39:44,719
believe love is the glue that holds this

2363
01:39:48,149 --> 01:39:46,480
whole thing together

2364
01:39:50,310 --> 01:39:48,159
and um

2365
01:39:52,470 --> 01:39:50,320
i have faith in

2366
01:39:53,669 --> 01:39:52,480
i do i really do have faith i get

2367
01:39:55,430 --> 01:39:53,679
frustrated

2368
01:39:57,750 --> 01:39:55,440
i get scared

2369
01:39:59,270 --> 01:39:57,760
i get crazy but i do have faith in my

2370
01:40:00,390 --> 01:39:59,280
fellow human beings

2371
01:40:02,070 --> 01:40:00,400
uh uh

2372
01:40:03,990 --> 01:40:02,080
life is an adventure

2373
01:40:06,830 --> 01:40:04,000
uh i've been very blessed

2374
01:40:10,870 --> 01:40:06,840
i know everybody hasn't which makes me

2375
01:40:15,189 --> 01:40:13,189
yeah because i mean i have a you know if

2376
01:40:17,430 --> 01:40:15,199
i lived in haiti

2377
01:40:19,590 --> 01:40:17,440
i'd be donald trump i have i have a

2378
01:40:23,030 --> 01:40:19,600
family we have a home we have two

2379
01:40:26,390 --> 01:40:23,040
pre-owned cars we have running water

2380
01:40:27,910 --> 01:40:26,400
i'm i'm a pretty healthy man i have a a

2381
01:40:30,310 --> 01:40:27,920
a a

2382
01:40:33,830 --> 01:40:30,320
a membership to a health club i mean you

2383
01:40:34,550 --> 01:40:33,840
know i have a good life am i rockefeller

2384
01:40:36,870 --> 01:40:34,560
no

2385
01:40:38,709 --> 01:40:36,880
don't need to be and so i count those

2386
01:40:41,510 --> 01:40:38,719
blessings

2387
01:40:43,669 --> 01:40:41,520
but i also realize that it's not all

2388
01:40:45,669 --> 01:40:43,679
about me that there's a universe out

2389
01:40:47,910 --> 01:40:45,679
there teeming with life there are people

2390
01:40:49,750 --> 01:40:47,920
out here who are trying to get by who

2391
01:40:51,910 --> 01:40:49,760
are trying to make ends meet

2392
01:40:54,070 --> 01:40:51,920
and i just want to serve i just want to

2393
01:40:56,870 --> 01:40:54,080
be part of the solution and not part of

2394
01:41:02,470 --> 01:40:59,270
but that's a good goal to have and i

2395
01:41:04,629 --> 01:41:02,480
think if more people

2396
01:41:07,430 --> 01:41:04,639
looked at

2397
01:41:09,990 --> 01:41:07,440
life that way and their interaction with

2398
01:41:12,149 --> 01:41:10,000
each other that way we would be in

2399
01:41:15,350 --> 01:41:12,159
you know if we lived by the ten

2400
01:41:18,149 --> 01:41:15,360
commandments or these this

2401
01:41:20,070 --> 01:41:18,159
code of morality that we all understand

2402
01:41:22,870 --> 01:41:20,080
that you know do unto others as you want

2403
01:41:25,350 --> 01:41:22,880
them to do unto you kind of thing

2404
01:41:27,109 --> 01:41:25,360
the world would be so different but we

2405
01:41:29,189 --> 01:41:27,119
are so reticent

2406
01:41:32,070 --> 01:41:29,199
to do what

2407
01:41:33,990 --> 01:41:32,080
we have been trained to know what's

2408
01:41:37,189 --> 01:41:34,000
right or we know

2409
01:41:40,149 --> 01:41:37,199
from our heart is the right thing

2410
01:41:41,510 --> 01:41:40,159
but we don't i don't understand that at

2411
01:41:44,390 --> 01:41:41,520
times

2412
01:41:45,590 --> 01:41:44,400
yeah it is fun but you know

2413
01:41:49,910 --> 01:41:45,600
we

2414
01:41:51,990 --> 01:41:49,920
yep it takes courage to live that way

2415
01:41:54,310 --> 01:41:52,000
and we're taught

2416
01:41:56,310 --> 01:41:54,320
consciously and unconsciously

2417
01:41:57,910 --> 01:41:56,320
that

2418
01:42:00,950 --> 01:41:57,920
if i share

2419
01:42:03,189 --> 01:42:00,960
that's going to be less for me

2420
01:42:05,510 --> 01:42:03,199
if i share what i have with you

2421
01:42:07,669 --> 01:42:05,520
there's not enough to go around

2422
01:42:09,510 --> 01:42:07,679
there's not enough money to go around

2423
01:42:11,189 --> 01:42:09,520
there's not enough sex to go around

2424
01:42:13,189 --> 01:42:11,199
there's not enough dysfunction to go

2425
01:42:17,270 --> 01:42:13,199
around there's not enough food to go

2426
01:42:20,950 --> 01:42:17,280
around and so we come at life

2427
01:42:23,590 --> 01:42:20,960
with a sense of scarcity and it takes

2428
01:42:25,990 --> 01:42:23,600
it takes time it takes evolution it

2429
01:42:29,109 --> 01:42:26,000
takes therapy it takes a whole bunch of

2430
01:42:31,350 --> 01:42:29,119
things to go back to unlearn that am i

2431
01:42:33,430 --> 01:42:31,360
really safe in the world einstein said

2432
01:42:35,830 --> 01:42:33,440
that the most important question is is

2433
01:42:38,229 --> 01:42:35,840
the universe a friendly place

2434
01:42:39,830 --> 01:42:38,239
and if you were growing up where you had

2435
01:42:42,550 --> 01:42:39,840
to watch everybody and you couldn't

2436
01:42:44,709 --> 01:42:42,560
trust people and what have you it's hard

2437
01:42:47,270 --> 01:42:44,719
to unlearn that

2438
01:42:48,870 --> 01:42:47,280
and i'm not trying to be apologetic

2439
01:42:50,709 --> 01:42:48,880
but if we're going to talk about a

2440
01:42:52,709 --> 01:42:50,719
paradigm shift that's really what we're

2441
01:42:55,990 --> 01:42:52,719
talking about that's what consciousness

2442
01:42:58,790 --> 01:42:56,000
is it's transformation it's change just

2443
01:43:03,109 --> 01:42:58,800
a fancy word for change

2444
01:43:07,430 --> 01:43:05,270
it takes courage to live

2445
01:43:09,510 --> 01:43:07,440
from your heart chakra

2446
01:43:10,950 --> 01:43:09,520
uh because everybody's not coming from

2447
01:43:13,350 --> 01:43:10,960
that place

2448
01:43:15,430 --> 01:43:13,360
and it's easy to shut down

2449
01:43:17,270 --> 01:43:15,440
but you know it's easy to to be kind to

2450
01:43:18,550 --> 01:43:17,280
someone and they turn on you and then

2451
01:43:20,149 --> 01:43:18,560
you go that's the last time i'm doing

2452
01:43:22,950 --> 01:43:20,159
that again

2453
01:43:24,550 --> 01:43:22,960
but you can't you got to keep pushing

2454
01:43:27,350 --> 01:43:24,560
you got to keep going

2455
01:43:30,550 --> 01:43:27,360
and it's hard

2456
01:43:32,229 --> 01:43:30,560
so i i have empathy for that but but it

2457
01:43:33,590 --> 01:43:32,239
can be done

2458
01:43:36,070 --> 01:43:33,600
and it's not going to happen all the

2459
01:43:39,350 --> 01:43:36,080
time what's the old zen buddhist saying

2460
01:43:41,109 --> 01:43:39,360
uh eight times down nine times up you

2461
01:43:45,750 --> 01:43:41,119
know you dust yourself off and you get

2462
01:43:48,550 --> 01:43:47,109
and then again

2463
01:43:54,870 --> 01:43:48,560
yeah and again

2464
01:43:56,470 --> 01:43:54,880
yeah

2465
01:43:58,470 --> 01:43:56,480
i mean i mean there are a lot of good

2466
01:43:59,350 --> 01:43:58,480
people out here too i meet them every

2467
01:44:01,590 --> 01:43:59,360
day

2468
01:44:02,709 --> 01:44:01,600
i'd like to think i'm one of them

2469
01:44:04,950 --> 01:44:02,719
and uh

2470
01:44:07,350 --> 01:44:04,960
and they're out here every day just

2471
01:44:09,430 --> 01:44:07,360
you know doing the best they can and and

2472
01:44:11,910 --> 01:44:09,440
living and serving and trying to love

2473
01:44:14,310 --> 01:44:11,920
and you know it's wonderful it's not

2474
01:44:17,669 --> 01:44:14,320
going to make bbc world

2475
01:44:21,030 --> 01:44:17,679
it's not going to be on uh the news hour

2476
01:44:23,990 --> 01:44:21,040
because that doesn't sell

2477
01:44:27,189 --> 01:44:24,000
but it happens every day

2478
01:44:29,270 --> 01:44:27,199
shockingly as that may be yeah

2479
01:44:32,870 --> 01:44:29,280
so i'm looking at the clock and i

2480
01:44:36,149 --> 01:44:32,880
definitely want to get to this topic to

2481
01:44:38,229 --> 01:44:36,159
kind of package it up nicely oh let me

2482
01:44:39,990 --> 01:44:38,239
tell people where to get the book amazon

2483
01:44:41,669 --> 01:44:40,000
they can get both books on amazon or

2484
01:44:43,750 --> 01:44:41,679
barnes and noble well we still have more

2485
01:44:44,870 --> 01:44:43,760
time than that but that's fine okay and

2486
01:44:47,430 --> 01:44:44,880
that would be

2487
01:44:50,350 --> 01:44:47,440
here we do

2488
01:44:52,709 --> 01:44:50,360
a new world if you can take it gods

2489
01:44:54,870 --> 01:44:52,719
extraterrestrials and the evolution of

2490
01:44:57,910 --> 01:44:54,880
human consciousness yes and they can get

2491
01:44:59,950 --> 01:44:57,920
alien scriptures too

2492
01:45:02,629 --> 01:44:59,960
that would be alien scriptures

2493
01:45:04,790 --> 01:45:02,639
extraterrestrials in the holy bible

2494
01:45:08,629 --> 01:45:04,800
yes

2495
01:45:09,510 --> 01:45:08,639
both available on amazon.com

2496
01:45:11,270 --> 01:45:09,520
okay

2497
01:45:14,149 --> 01:45:11,280
so here's the here's the wrap-up

2498
01:45:16,709 --> 01:45:14,159
question because we have about

2499
01:45:18,390 --> 01:45:16,719
about 10 minutes i'll say 10 minutes

2500
01:45:20,470 --> 01:45:18,400
okay um

2501
01:45:23,109 --> 01:45:20,480
what does it all mean what does it mean

2502
01:45:27,830 --> 01:45:25,270
great question this is what i think it

2503
01:45:29,830 --> 01:45:27,840
means rita but this is only to me

2504
01:45:35,990 --> 01:45:29,840
i

2505
01:45:38,550 --> 01:45:36,000
and that we come here

2506
01:45:41,430 --> 01:45:38,560
and we learn to evolve we learn to

2507
01:45:43,350 --> 01:45:41,440
conquer our fears we learn to serve and

2508
01:45:45,910 --> 01:45:43,360
we learn to love

2509
01:45:46,790 --> 01:45:45,920
and i think that we can get so caught up

2510
01:45:49,109 --> 01:45:46,800
into

2511
01:45:51,910 --> 01:45:49,119
propulsion systems and is this the

2512
01:45:54,070 --> 01:45:51,920
nephilim or the anunnaki or are these

2513
01:45:56,070 --> 01:45:54,080
the graves or the watchers and all that

2514
01:45:56,870 --> 01:45:56,080
is good to know

2515
01:45:58,390 --> 01:45:56,880
but

2516
01:46:02,229 --> 01:45:58,400
the messages

2517
01:46:04,310 --> 01:46:02,239
that we get from buddha from moses from

2518
01:46:05,510 --> 01:46:04,320
uh uh jesus

2519
01:46:08,229 --> 01:46:05,520
is that

2520
01:46:10,550 --> 01:46:08,239
we are here to evolve

2521
01:46:13,590 --> 01:46:10,560
we are here to have compassion and to

2522
01:46:16,470 --> 01:46:13,600
learn to forgive and for me those are

2523
01:46:19,990 --> 01:46:16,480
the crucial questions especially if

2524
01:46:21,189 --> 01:46:20,000
we're going to go to the next level

2525
01:46:23,430 --> 01:46:21,199
but

2526
01:46:25,510 --> 01:46:23,440
if we get so caught up

2527
01:46:28,390 --> 01:46:25,520
in the noise

2528
01:46:30,550 --> 01:46:28,400
in everything outside of ourselves we

2529
01:46:32,470 --> 01:46:30,560
miss the message because it doesn't

2530
01:46:34,470 --> 01:46:32,480
matter whether jesus was part

2531
01:46:38,390 --> 01:46:34,480
extraterrestrial or not even though i

2532
01:46:40,390 --> 01:46:38,400
think he was what matters is his message

2533
01:46:42,790 --> 01:46:40,400
it doesn't matter if

2534
01:46:45,750 --> 01:46:42,800
buddha had contact with extraterrestrial

2535
01:46:47,750 --> 01:46:45,760
beings i think he did but it doesn't

2536
01:46:49,590 --> 01:46:47,760
matter it's his message of

2537
01:46:52,470 --> 01:46:49,600
non-attachment

2538
01:46:54,470 --> 01:46:52,480
of of detachment if you will the message

2539
01:46:57,510 --> 01:46:54,480
of cultivating your compassion

2540
01:47:00,310 --> 01:46:57,520
those are the things that matter

2541
01:47:01,669 --> 01:47:00,320
and if we want to raise our vibration

2542
01:47:03,990 --> 01:47:01,679
and evolve

2543
01:47:05,750 --> 01:47:04,000
we need to focus on these messages

2544
01:47:06,629 --> 01:47:05,760
because they're old there's nothing new

2545
01:47:09,030 --> 01:47:06,639
here

2546
01:47:10,229 --> 01:47:09,040
this is the same message for thousands

2547
01:47:12,310 --> 01:47:10,239
of years

2548
01:47:14,310 --> 01:47:12,320
you got to learn to love one another you

2549
01:47:16,470 --> 01:47:14,320
got to learn how to treat people with

2550
01:47:18,470 --> 01:47:16,480
some dignity and respect you've got to

2551
01:47:21,590 --> 01:47:18,480
learn to feed the hungry you've got i

2552
01:47:26,149 --> 01:47:21,600
mean this this is it's not sexy

2553
01:47:30,390 --> 01:47:28,229
these are wonderful messages and they

2554
01:47:33,189 --> 01:47:30,400
come out of the bible in the quran and

2555
01:47:36,629 --> 01:47:33,199
they come out of everything

2556
01:47:39,910 --> 01:47:36,639
you know we we you know uh uh

2557
01:47:42,310 --> 01:47:39,920
beautiful therapeutic and philosophical

2558
01:47:45,270 --> 01:47:42,320
modalities and techniques that really

2559
01:47:48,629 --> 01:47:45,280
how to make us more human more whole

2560
01:47:50,950 --> 01:47:48,639
and that's that's what it means to me

2561
01:47:53,430 --> 01:47:50,960
and that's what i want to get out

2562
01:47:54,950 --> 01:47:53,440
uh uh you know because

2563
01:47:57,510 --> 01:47:54,960
you know

2564
01:48:00,709 --> 01:47:57,520
whether it's a craft or a triangle craft

2565
01:48:02,149 --> 01:48:00,719
or if is it a beam ship or i mean that's

2566
01:48:04,390 --> 01:48:02,159
nice to know

2567
01:48:09,990 --> 01:48:04,400
but that's information

2568
01:48:14,950 --> 01:48:11,910
and i think that

2569
01:48:16,390 --> 01:48:14,960
they have been giving the same message

2570
01:48:19,430 --> 01:48:16,400
for

2571
01:48:22,470 --> 01:48:19,440
thousands of years you look at

2572
01:48:23,669 --> 01:48:22,480
hindu texts and

2573
01:48:25,990 --> 01:48:23,679
there are

2574
01:48:30,229 --> 01:48:26,000
multiple multiple multiple i mean those

2575
01:48:32,550 --> 01:48:30,239
people write um about how to interact

2576
01:48:34,149 --> 01:48:32,560
with yourself with your being your

2577
01:48:35,910 --> 01:48:34,159
consciousness

2578
01:48:38,229 --> 01:48:35,920
um

2579
01:48:40,550 --> 01:48:38,239
you know and that's in written form and

2580
01:48:42,790 --> 01:48:40,560
then you go anywhere in the world and

2581
01:48:44,950 --> 01:48:42,800
there are spiritual practices spiritual

2582
01:48:47,189 --> 01:48:44,960
traditions but when you really get down

2583
01:48:48,550 --> 01:48:47,199
to the bottom line if you start looking

2584
01:48:53,910 --> 01:48:48,560
at it and i'm going to say from a

2585
01:48:58,870 --> 01:48:56,709
you're all doing the same thing

2586
01:49:02,229 --> 01:48:58,880
exactly but we're killing each other

2587
01:49:07,430 --> 01:49:05,189
we're killing each other

2588
01:49:08,790 --> 01:49:07,440
but it all goes and you and i started

2589
01:49:10,550 --> 01:49:08,800
the show that way

2590
01:49:12,470 --> 01:49:10,560
you're going to california you're riding

2591
01:49:14,550 --> 01:49:12,480
a bike i'm hitchhiking we're still going

2592
01:49:16,950 --> 01:49:14,560
to california we're just going a

2593
01:49:19,270 --> 01:49:16,960
different way

2594
01:49:21,590 --> 01:49:19,280
it's all good

2595
01:49:24,070 --> 01:49:21,600
but uh and i i love that you i'm glad

2596
01:49:26,149 --> 01:49:24,080
you even brought up and do cosmology

2597
01:49:26,870 --> 01:49:26,159
because they also make room for deities

2598
01:49:30,950 --> 01:49:26,880
and

2599
01:49:33,750 --> 01:49:30,960
would have no problem with

2600
01:49:35,590 --> 01:49:33,760
extraterrestrial life being announced uh

2601
01:49:38,470 --> 01:49:35,600
and of course they wouldn't because if

2602
01:49:40,870 --> 01:49:38,480
you read the mahabharata and upanishads

2603
01:49:42,550 --> 01:49:40,880
i mean some of these beings act like uh

2604
01:49:46,550 --> 01:49:42,560
they come from another planet but

2605
01:49:48,870 --> 01:49:46,560
they're flying vimanas and what have you

2606
01:49:49,990 --> 01:49:48,880
oh i mean some of their stories you know

2607
01:49:54,709 --> 01:49:50,000
they

2608
01:49:58,390 --> 01:49:54,719
very interesting and very detailed

2609
01:49:59,830 --> 01:49:58,400
in this the stories that you hear

2610
01:50:02,310 --> 01:49:59,840
and and

2611
01:50:03,750 --> 01:50:02,320
it makes you go how could somebody make

2612
01:50:06,550 --> 01:50:03,760
this up

2613
01:50:09,109 --> 01:50:06,560
yeah i mean maybe embellish the fish

2614
01:50:11,510 --> 01:50:09,119
maybe got a little bit bigger sure but

2615
01:50:13,109 --> 01:50:11,520
the basic and see that's why

2616
01:50:15,350 --> 01:50:13,119
you you're absolutely right rita and

2617
01:50:16,950 --> 01:50:15,360
that's why you know i included i didn't

2618
01:50:18,390 --> 01:50:16,960
put a damski in

2619
01:50:19,750 --> 01:50:18,400
even though people didn't believe him

2620
01:50:21,189 --> 01:50:19,760
but they could not refute his

2621
01:50:23,990 --> 01:50:21,199
photographs

2622
01:50:26,149 --> 01:50:24,000
to this day same thing with billy meyer

2623
01:50:28,310 --> 01:50:26,159
and they're human and and they may have

2624
01:50:30,709 --> 01:50:28,320
embellished or but

2625
01:50:34,149 --> 01:50:30,719
what you can tell is authentic

2626
01:50:35,830 --> 01:50:34,159
is the same theme

2627
01:50:38,310 --> 01:50:35,840
it's like people who have near-death

2628
01:50:40,950 --> 01:50:38,320
experiences or even people who meet ufo

2629
01:50:43,350 --> 01:50:40,960
people everybody can't be lying their

2630
01:50:46,950 --> 01:50:43,360
their story their parts of the story

2631
01:50:51,669 --> 01:50:46,960
that no matter what culture you're in

2632
01:50:56,070 --> 01:50:53,590
but then again and this is one of my

2633
01:50:58,550 --> 01:50:56,080
little new lines

2634
01:51:00,870 --> 01:50:58,560
we can believe in god

2635
01:51:04,229 --> 01:51:00,880
even though we don't see god and have

2636
01:51:05,189 --> 01:51:04,239
really never interacted with god in that

2637
01:51:07,669 --> 01:51:05,199
way

2638
01:51:09,430 --> 01:51:07,679
but we still can't believe in ghosts

2639
01:51:11,910 --> 01:51:09,440
and they're just as much of a

2640
01:51:14,550 --> 01:51:11,920
quote-unquote figment of our imagination

2641
01:51:18,790 --> 01:51:16,790
yeah i mean you can believe in ghosts

2642
01:51:21,030 --> 01:51:18,800
you you the thing is is that you can

2643
01:51:22,870 --> 01:51:21,040
believe whatever you want to believe you

2644
01:51:25,270 --> 01:51:22,880
don't have to let that's the new

2645
01:51:27,750 --> 01:51:25,280
paradigm you don't have to let someone

2646
01:51:29,830 --> 01:51:27,760
tell you

2647
01:51:32,390 --> 01:51:29,840
what you should believe

2648
01:51:34,390 --> 01:51:32,400
if you had an experience with a ghost or

2649
01:51:36,950 --> 01:51:34,400
being not in a body

2650
01:51:39,030 --> 01:51:36,960
you can talk about that maybe not in all

2651
01:51:40,709 --> 01:51:39,040
circles but you can talk about that

2652
01:51:43,830 --> 01:51:40,719
things have changed

2653
01:51:46,310 --> 01:51:43,840
there are people who talk about that

2654
01:51:48,709 --> 01:51:46,320
it's no more about i mean yes you still

2655
01:51:50,550 --> 01:51:48,719
have religion with a stranglehold on

2656
01:51:51,750 --> 01:51:50,560
some people but that's always going to

2657
01:51:54,310 --> 01:51:51,760
be you're not going to have eight

2658
01:51:56,470 --> 01:51:54,320
billion people on the planet all evolved

2659
01:51:58,550 --> 01:51:56,480
at the same time in the same way and i

2660
01:52:02,470 --> 01:51:58,560
know that's not what you're implying but

2661
01:52:03,510 --> 01:52:02,480
it's really about what you have to do to

2662
01:52:06,950 --> 01:52:03,520
grow

2663
01:52:11,430 --> 01:52:06,960
and if you've seen ghosts

2664
01:52:15,589 --> 01:52:13,510
so it's no longer what you can't believe

2665
01:52:17,669 --> 01:52:15,599
in

2666
01:52:19,830 --> 01:52:17,679
it is about who you talk to about it i

2667
01:52:21,910 --> 01:52:19,840
mean you don't go i i don't go out every

2668
01:52:23,830 --> 01:52:21,920
day and tell people my congregation

2669
01:52:25,910 --> 01:52:23,840
about what they know about they've seen

2670
01:52:28,070 --> 01:52:25,920
ancient aliens they bought my book they

2671
01:52:29,589 --> 01:52:28,080
know they've heard the radio shows but i

2672
01:52:31,109 --> 01:52:29,599
don't choose to talk about unless

2673
01:52:32,709 --> 01:52:31,119
someone asks me

2674
01:52:33,830 --> 01:52:32,719
but it's not about whether i can or

2675
01:52:35,830 --> 01:52:33,840
can't

2676
01:52:39,669 --> 01:52:35,840
once you give up trying to prove stuff

2677
01:52:43,510 --> 01:52:41,189
you're free

2678
01:52:45,750 --> 01:52:43,520
and i'm free as a bird

2679
01:52:47,830 --> 01:52:45,760
well and it's in my opinion it's not any

2680
01:52:49,430 --> 01:52:47,840
of their business what i believe is what

2681
01:52:51,750 --> 01:52:49,440
i believe and you can believe whatever

2682
01:52:54,790 --> 01:52:51,760
you want to believe and you know as long

2683
01:52:56,629 --> 01:52:54,800
as you pay your rent and your taxes and

2684
01:52:58,629 --> 01:52:56,639
whatever

2685
01:53:02,390 --> 01:52:58,639
you know and you you don't like throw

2686
01:53:04,390 --> 01:53:02,400
eggs at my house we're all good yeah

2687
01:53:07,430 --> 01:53:04,400
yeah

2688
01:53:11,510 --> 01:53:07,440
it's a beautiful thing

2689
01:53:13,510 --> 01:53:11,520
and uh

2690
01:53:16,149 --> 01:53:13,520
you know i just i just

2691
01:53:18,470 --> 01:53:16,159
every day i'm just trying to say

2692
01:53:20,470 --> 01:53:18,480
the message i'm trying to to give out a

2693
01:53:22,470 --> 01:53:20,480
message of unity

2694
01:53:23,990 --> 01:53:22,480
and by that i don't mean to give up your

2695
01:53:27,189 --> 01:53:24,000
individuality

2696
01:53:29,430 --> 01:53:27,199
but that love unites

2697
01:53:31,510 --> 01:53:29,440
and you can tell what people believe i

2698
01:53:33,189 --> 01:53:31,520
can tell you i believe it you can tell

2699
01:53:34,310 --> 01:53:33,199
what people believe by how they treat

2700
01:53:37,669 --> 01:53:34,320
you

2701
01:53:39,669 --> 01:53:37,679
night for bible study

2702
01:53:41,990 --> 01:53:39,679
you could be in the temple on shabbat on

2703
01:53:43,270 --> 01:53:42,000
friday with shabbos you could be at the

2704
01:53:45,669 --> 01:53:43,280
mosque

2705
01:53:46,950 --> 01:53:45,679
you can do all those things

2706
01:53:48,550 --> 01:53:46,960
but

2707
01:53:51,430 --> 01:53:48,560
in the end

2708
01:53:55,669 --> 01:53:51,440
it's how you treat people and that tells

2709
01:54:01,189 --> 01:53:58,790
amen brother yeah

2710
01:54:02,310 --> 01:54:01,199
yeah that's what i've a wise rabbi said

2711
01:54:05,510 --> 01:54:02,320
that

2712
01:54:07,669 --> 01:54:05,520
2500 years ago by their fruits

2713
01:54:09,830 --> 01:54:07,679
you shall know them in other words by

2714
01:54:16,149 --> 01:54:09,840
the work they produce

2715
01:54:19,510 --> 01:54:17,830
and that's what i believe

2716
01:54:21,990 --> 01:54:19,520
you know and i'm going wow we only got

2717
01:54:24,629 --> 01:54:22,000
five minutes so i'm not i'm like one

2718
01:54:27,750 --> 01:54:24,639
zip your lip don't even open up this

2719
01:54:30,070 --> 01:54:27,760
other can of worms because i'll be like

2720
01:54:31,510 --> 01:54:30,080
no teaser teaser

2721
01:54:35,589 --> 01:54:31,520
um

2722
01:54:40,310 --> 01:54:37,430
well i'm going to go see the spongebob

2723
01:54:44,149 --> 01:54:40,320
movie with my daughter on

2724
01:54:46,470 --> 01:54:44,159
on saturday um no what i'm trying to do

2725
01:54:48,310 --> 01:54:46,480
is this has been pretty exciting for me

2726
01:54:50,310 --> 01:54:48,320
so this has been great i got a couple

2727
01:54:51,350 --> 01:54:50,320
radio shows that mark booked for me next

2728
01:54:52,950 --> 01:54:51,360
week

2729
01:54:56,629 --> 01:54:52,960
what i'm trying to do

2730
01:54:58,709 --> 01:54:56,639
if time allows is to do more conferences

2731
01:55:01,030 --> 01:54:58,719
i love speaking in front of a live

2732
01:55:03,589 --> 01:55:01,040
audience i love

2733
01:55:05,510 --> 01:55:03,599
hearing people and their stories so

2734
01:55:07,990 --> 01:55:05,520
that's been my goal if i could get two

2735
01:55:10,229 --> 01:55:08,000
or three conferences in this year

2736
01:55:12,310 --> 01:55:10,239
professionally it will have been if i

2737
01:55:13,990 --> 01:55:12,320
get two in it would have been great i i

2738
01:55:15,589 --> 01:55:14,000
was just at the edgar cayce institute

2739
01:55:17,270 --> 01:55:15,599
last october

2740
01:55:19,430 --> 01:55:17,280
it's the first time i did a conference

2741
01:55:21,270 --> 01:55:19,440
in about

2742
01:55:23,669 --> 01:55:21,280
15 20 years

2743
01:55:26,629 --> 01:55:23,679
and it was great i was only there for an

2744
01:55:28,950 --> 01:55:26,639
hour to speak and eric van danigen was

2745
01:55:31,510 --> 01:55:28,960
there and giorgio from ancient aliens

2746
01:55:33,910 --> 01:55:31,520
and john anthony west and colin andrews

2747
01:55:36,070 --> 01:55:33,920
i mean it was wonderful i was thrilled

2748
01:55:39,030 --> 01:55:36,080
and i want to do more of that

2749
01:55:42,070 --> 01:55:39,040
uh for right now i think i'm

2750
01:55:44,390 --> 01:55:42,080
one of very few ordained clergy people

2751
01:55:45,350 --> 01:55:44,400
who is an experiencer and talking about

2752
01:55:50,709 --> 01:55:45,360
this

2753
01:55:53,109 --> 01:55:50,719
kind of material and i think i can fill

2754
01:55:54,470 --> 01:55:53,119
a void because i always bring it back to

2755
01:55:56,550 --> 01:55:54,480
the spiritual

2756
01:55:59,430 --> 01:55:56,560
and i think at this time that's what

2757
01:56:00,470 --> 01:55:59,440
people are hungry for so

2758
01:56:02,470 --> 01:56:00,480
hopefully

2759
01:56:04,470 --> 01:56:02,480
next time we talk i can tell you i just

2760
01:56:06,629 --> 01:56:04,480
came back from

2761
01:56:08,310 --> 01:56:06,639
speaking at wherever but that's what i'd

2762
01:56:10,629 --> 01:56:08,320
like to do

2763
01:56:13,350 --> 01:56:10,639
you and me both we need to work on that

2764
01:56:15,109 --> 01:56:13,360
together then we can like hang out yeah

2765
01:56:17,990 --> 01:56:15,119
yeah that would be great i mean because

2766
01:56:20,550 --> 01:56:18,000
i have my congregation you know i i i am

2767
01:56:23,109 --> 01:56:20,560
serving a church um

2768
01:56:25,750 --> 01:56:23,119
and uh so i have to be able to

2769
01:56:27,109 --> 01:56:25,760
tie it in you know get some days off

2770
01:56:29,510 --> 01:56:27,119
that kind of thing when i'm not in the

2771
01:56:31,830 --> 01:56:29,520
pulpit but that's what i want to do i

2772
01:56:33,990 --> 01:56:31,840
want to do some more i mean i love this

2773
01:56:36,310 --> 01:56:34,000
i wanted to keep doing radio and some

2774
01:56:38,550 --> 01:56:36,320
more television stuff but nothing like a

2775
01:56:41,109 --> 01:56:38,560
live audience they're right there

2776
01:56:42,229 --> 01:56:41,119
and and they want they want you to

2777
01:56:44,310 --> 01:56:42,239
they're they're rooting for you and

2778
01:56:46,470 --> 01:56:44,320
you're rooting for them and so that's

2779
01:56:47,830 --> 01:56:46,480
what i want to do more of

2780
01:56:51,030 --> 01:56:47,840
yeah

2781
01:56:54,550 --> 01:56:51,040
i agree i mean conferences are

2782
01:56:57,430 --> 01:56:54,560
really cool and really fun and

2783
01:56:59,189 --> 01:56:57,440
adrenaline producing and and the the

2784
01:57:02,310 --> 01:56:59,199
bonds and the relationships that you

2785
01:57:04,470 --> 01:57:02,320
create and form when you're at them

2786
01:57:06,470 --> 01:57:04,480
uh there's not anything that you can

2787
01:57:07,990 --> 01:57:06,480
beat that with yeah

2788
01:57:09,430 --> 01:57:08,000
yeah it's really great and you know you

2789
01:57:10,550 --> 01:57:09,440
get the word out i mean i can sell my

2790
01:57:13,189 --> 01:57:10,560
books

2791
01:57:15,350 --> 01:57:13,199
and uh because right now primarily my

2792
01:57:17,510 --> 01:57:15,360
books are selling from the radio shows

2793
01:57:19,750 --> 01:57:17,520
and from ancient aliens and i'm very

2794
01:57:21,830 --> 01:57:19,760
happy about that and no it's not a

2795
01:57:24,229 --> 01:57:21,840
pulitzer prize winner but you know it

2796
01:57:27,109 --> 01:57:24,239
keeps some food on the table and i still

2797
01:57:29,669 --> 01:57:27,119
get the message out of love so

2798
01:57:32,149 --> 01:57:29,679
i'm very fortunate that way i got two

2799
01:57:35,030 --> 01:57:32,159
people who really helped me out a lot

2800
01:57:36,390 --> 01:57:35,040
and believe in me mark eddie and i have

2801
01:57:39,030 --> 01:57:36,400
a publicist

2802
01:57:40,709 --> 01:57:39,040
on the west coast her name is susan

2803
01:57:42,870 --> 01:57:40,719
larrance dance and

2804
01:57:44,470 --> 01:57:42,880
uh they've just been

2805
01:57:46,790 --> 01:57:44,480
outside of my family of course they've

2806
01:57:48,950 --> 01:57:46,800
been the wind beneath my wings and so

2807
01:57:52,790 --> 01:57:48,960
i'm very very grateful

2808
01:57:55,189 --> 01:57:52,800
well michael we need to wrap it up um

2809
01:57:57,669 --> 01:57:55,199
so thank you so much for coming on it's

2810
01:57:59,830 --> 01:57:57,679
always so much fun having you on i love

2811
01:58:02,310 --> 01:57:59,840
it i look forward to it and uh we'll

2812
01:58:03,990 --> 01:58:02,320
keep it up i'll get oh yeah yeah we'll

2813
01:58:05,910 --> 01:58:04,000
keep it up i was gonna ask to get a link

2814
01:58:07,990 --> 01:58:05,920
from you but you always send me one so

2815
01:58:10,149 --> 01:58:08,000
that'll be great okay

2816
01:58:12,070 --> 01:58:10,159
can do all right

2817
01:58:13,910 --> 01:58:12,080
all right i will talk to you later all

2818
01:58:16,229 --> 01:58:13,920
right blessings to you and your family

2819
01:58:18,870 --> 01:58:16,239
all right thank you all righty bye-bye

2820
01:58:21,589 --> 01:58:18,880
that's michael carter his book is a new

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01:58:23,350 --> 01:58:21,599
world if you can take it

2822
01:58:25,430 --> 01:58:23,360
next week we have two guests in the

2823
01:58:27,910 --> 01:58:25,440
first hour scott [\h__\h] talking about

2824
01:58:33,430 --> 01:58:27,920
the lost knowledge of the pyramids and

2825
01:58:38,950 --> 01:58:35,910
join host dr rita louise each week at

2826
01:58:42,189 --> 01:58:38,960
this time for just energy radio point

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01:58:47,189 --> 01:58:44,070
www.justenergyradio.com for more show

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01:58:48,870 --> 01:58:47,199
information and to contact dr rita

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01:58:50,149 --> 01:58:48,880
until next time